How to get Burgundian Inheritance?

[Joshwerds]

Simple question. I've played France dozens of times since the Burgundian Inheritance mechanic and I have never once gotten it before.

[DeadRabbit]

Burgundy's king, I think his name is Charles, needs to die without an heir, or with an heir below 50% legitimacy. This can be a pain, because he starts relatively young and it can't trigger past 1500. Then, after he dies, Burgundy chooses between France, Austria, a country they have royal married, or none of the above. Pretty sure that's just based on opinion, and as france you should have no problem fighting Burgundy unless they have some bonkers allies.

From my experience, when it fires, they usually choose the royal marriage, which is usually some random HRE member, as their opinion of France and Austria isn't likely to be very high considering their position.

[Ares]

Restart unthil Burgundy rival Austria. Royal Marry, and ally them, and keep releations high.

And here's what probably helps, Be the stronger than Austria, have high prestige.

Then you have to wait for Charles to die, either with no heir, or a young heir (before he's 15) unsure if he needs to have low legitimacy or not, but iv'e seen that the heir often have low legitimacy. Or the heir is Marie.
That should trigger the Burgundian succession, but it's not guarantied that he picks you, they can either pick the Emperor, France, a strong ally or themselves. But if you are a strong! France, and Austria is weaker, and Burgundy has rivaled them, i think the chances are good that you get them.

If you want to sort of full proof it, become the emperor as france.

From my experiences, i tend to get them, when my nation is the strongest on the continent, Last time it was as Austria, which is probably the easiest to get it as. Before that it was as Castile, but a very strong Castile. Also gotten them several times as France.

[bri]

That's the pre-1.30 version (more or less).

The new version is a lot more involved, however, the opinion of a nation only matters for France or the Emperor as those two are the only nations in the event where the relation, rival status, and so on are factors in determining the outcome weights. The royal marriage option is the largest nation they have a royal marriage with.

[SunDriedSheet]

I managed to get a full inheritance once as France, which is extremely rare, there's insane amount of luck involved. What you need 100 % is a royal marriage and high prestige. And you need to keep Burgundy at war, so that both Burgundian ruler and heir die so that the event triggers at all.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2767958234

[grognardgary]

Ah good old charlie the Bold/rash/dumb as a box of rocks did die young in this reality. Thought taking out them swiss peasants would be easy and then ran into disageeable young swiss halberdier who divided him in two from head to chest and in doing so ended burgundy as an independent country.

[Ares]

Originally posted by 654681631:

I managed to get a full inheritance once as France, which is extremely rare, there's insane amount of luck involved. What you need 100 % is a royal marriage and high prestige. And you need to keep Burgundy at war, so that both Burgundian ruler and heir die so that the event triggers at all.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2767958234

Think you are refering to how things worked in the old days, where you could go to war with burgundy and sit on him, you needed 70+ warscore, he could make his king into a general, which could be killed, or chances would increase that his king would die, this could take many years, did this many times, but it's not how things work now. The Emperor, France, a ally which he has a royal marriage with, can all get it, or he can choose himself. I think it matters how strong you are, good releations and high prestige.

If you are starting a game as france, you want to restart unthil he rivals austria, as this will make it less likely that he picks Austria, and you want to ally and royal marry him, and keep high releations. And the stronger you are compared to him and Austria, i think the less likely he is to pick Austria or himself. Same with any other allies.

[Marquoz]

Correct, Ares. I would add that you must make sure that you're the one who offers the royal marriage to Burgundy, not the other way around. And if it ever expires, offer another one. Don't accept their offers, because the marriage will break when Charles dies and you'll get nothing.

[SunDriedSheet]

Originally posted by Ares:

Think you are refering to how things worked in the old days, where you could go to war with burgundy and sit on him, you needed 70+ warscore, he could make his king into a general, which could be killed, or chances would increase that his king would die, this could take many years, did this many times, but it's not how things work now. The Emperor, France, a ally which he has a royal marriage with, can all get it, or he can choose himself. I think it matters how strong you are, good releations and high prestige.

If you are starting a game as france, you want to restart unthil he rivals austria, as this will make it less likely that he picks Austria, and you want to ally and royal marry him, and keep high releations. And the stronger you are compared to him and Austria, i think the less likely he is to pick Austria or himself. Same with any other allies.

It's possible I am not saying it's not like that. In that game I was allied to Burgundy and to inherit it was not even my plan, it just happened. I declared war on England, dragged Burgundy in and promised Calais to him. Just to help me out and all. Boom, all mine, out of nowhere

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Also be sure not to help Burgundy get TOO strong, or they'll just as likely choose to stay independent and screw you over anyway.

[Ares]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

Correct, Ares. I would add that you must make sure that you're the one who offers the royal marriage to Burgundy, not the other way around. And if it ever expires, offer another one. Don't accept their offers, because the marriage will break when Charles dies and you'll get nothing.

That is true.

[Ares]

Originally posted by 654681631:

Originally posted by Ares:

Think you are refering to how things worked in the old days, where you could go to war with burgundy and sit on him, you needed 70+ warscore, he could make his king into a general, which could be killed, or chances would increase that his king would die, this could take many years, did this many times, but it's not how things work now. The Emperor, France, a ally which he has a royal marriage with, can all get it, or he can choose himself. I think it matters how strong you are, good releations and high prestige.

If you are starting a game as france, you want to restart unthil he rivals austria, as this will make it less likely that he picks Austria, and you want to ally and royal marry him, and keep high releations. And the stronger you are compared to him and Austria, i think the less likely he is to pick Austria or himself. Same with any other allies.

It's possible I am not saying it's not like that. In that game I was allied to Burgundy and to inherit it was not even my plan, it just happened. I declared war on England, dragged Burgundy in and promised Calais to him. Just to help me out and all. Boom, all mine, out of nowhere

What happened was that Charles died, not neccesarily his heir. Burgundy doesnt have to be at peace for this to happend, it happens when charles dies, and his heir is either below the age of 15 and/or has low legitimacy. Which is almost guaranteed, Charles has only 5% chance og getting an heir, and a monthly -1 legitimacy tick for that heir. He can also get an event to make marie of burgundy into an heir, but this will also trigger the succession, but unless im misstaken, if Marie succeeds charles, then there are only 3 options, either Burgundy remain independent, or they choose between the emperor and france.

I have gotten it several times my self while burgundy was helping me in a war. Burgundy can ofc make Charles into a General, which would increase his chances of dieing, so dragging him into a war, can make this more likely to happend, im not sure how often the AI make their ruler into a general these days.