Why is Anglican considered the weakest Christian denom?

[Server Jester]

Ive seen Anglican described as being the weakest in the Christian group and im wondering what makes Anglican worse than lets say Coptic or Hussite?

[Narrowmind]

It's not catholic. Lol

[Omniconda]

its great if your looking to holy war around the world.

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by PunishedMuskovy:

Ive seen Anglican described as being the weakest in the Christian group and im wondering what makes Anglican worse than lets say Coptic or Hussite?

Coptic has great bonuses when you expand and take the necessary provinces. Hussite has good bonuses and can decide to become Protestant, which also has good bonuses. Anglican has poor bonuses that are far inferior to staying Catholic. In short, it's all about the bonuses.

And as Ratlegion said, Catholic is the best if you're a major colonizer or conquer lots of non-Catholic provinces. The papal influence you earn from conversion can be spent on excellent boosts. Catholic is far and away the best religion in the game right now, not just the best Christian denomination.

[Malvastor]

Mainly because right now there's just not much you can do with it, and even less that you can do with it but can't do with Catholicism.

Originally posted by Wiki:

All Anglican countries receive:

Development cost.png −10% Development cost

Eh, okay. Catholics can get half of that with a Golden Bull anyway.

Originally posted by Wiki:

Innovativeness gain +50% Innovativeness gain

More unique, but innovativeness is 1. not super important and 2. easy to get lots of anyway.

Originally posted by Wiki:

Anglicanism uses the same church power mechanic as Protestantism (see above for details). However, church power is used differently, to take one of five religious actions.


Divorce Consort: The current consort is removed. (This does not end any royal marriages.)

Marry Local Noblewoman: Gain a random female consort from this country.

Can't speak for other players, but I have legitimately never come across a situation where I either used or wished I could use either of these.

Originally posted by Wiki:

Dissolve Monasteries: Gain ducats equal to 0.25 years of income.

Three months of income isn't that much. Meanwhile, Catholics can get +15% tax and -10% building costs for 20 years. Unless you're making absolutely tremendous gobs of cash from trade and almost nothing from tax, that's a way better deal.

Originally posted by Wiki:

Grant Monopoly: Gain 1% mercantilism.

Progress of the Supreme Governor: Gain 1 stability.

Catholics get the exact same thing as both of these.

And... that's it for Anglicanism right now. Meanwhile there's a truckload of other perks Catholics can enjoy- Golden Bulls, Treaty of Tordesillas colonization boosts, Crusade boosts for wars against heathen neighbors, Cardinals Spread Institutions, Excommunication CB, becoming Curia Controller, etc. It's just no contest.

Even against other Christian denominations, Anglican tends to come out worse- it doesn't have the flexibility of Protestantism, the stability and manpower buffs of Orthodoxy (I'd say even Orthodox icons give you more options than Anglicanism), the interesting and challenging Holy Sites system of Coptics... Anglican's only competition for "worst denomination" is Reformed.

Edit: Didn't see you specifically meant to compare to Hussite or Coptic. So... what Marquoz said.

[bri]

In addition to all of the reasons already listed Anglican suffers due toi how long you have to wait for it to spawn which means either sandbagging your initial growth or having a lot more provinces you need to convert compared to the other options.

[Server Jester]

Noticing no mention of Hussite
what makes Hussite better than Anglicanism? Hussite just looks like diet Protestantism
Edit: didnt see Marquoz's mention of Hus in his post

[Server Jester]

And what makes Reformed so bad? Regarding Malvastor's post

[Marquoz]

Again, the boosts it gives. They're inferior to Protestant, which is inferior to Orthodox, which is inferior to Catholic. Reformed is down at the bottom of the heap with Anglican. I personally think Anglican is worse than reformed, but they're both so awful that it really doesn't matter which is the least terrible of the pair.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by PunishedMuskovy:

Noticing no mention of Hussite
what makes Hussite better than Anglicanism? Hussite just looks like diet Protestantism
Edit: didnt see Marquoz's mention of Hus in his post

Hussite works pretty much like Protestantism, just with different bonuses. Some arguably worse, some arguably better. And like Marquoz said, you can instaconvert to Protestantism if you want to.

Originally posted by PunishedMuskovy:

And what makes Reformed so bad? Regarding Malvastor's post

Fair warning that I haven't played as Reformed, so maybe it works better in practice. I've avoided it because, from what I see, it has an extreme lack of flexibility. There are three sets of bonuses you can have. Each one costs 5 points of fervor per month. And according to the wiki the theoretical max is ~11 fervor per month- if you're playing as one of a small list of tags that get fervor from their national ideas. The bonuses themselves aren't that bad, but they're not good enough in my opinion to be worth the extremely limited selection.

Here, judge for yourself:

Fervent focus on
Stability:
−2 National unrest
+1 Diplomatic reputation

Trade
+10% Global trade power
+10% Trade efficiency

War
+10% Morale of armies
+10% Morale of navies

That's it. That's all you can do with Reformed. Even less flexible than Anglican, it only arguably wins out because two of the five things you can do as Anglican are totally useless.

[Server Jester]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Originally posted by PunishedMuskovy:

Noticing no mention of Hussite
what makes Hussite better than Anglicanism? Hussite just looks like diet Protestantism
Edit: didnt see Marquoz's mention of Hus in his post

Hussite works pretty much like Protestantism, just with different bonuses. Some arguably worse, some arguably better. And like Marquoz said, you can instaconvert to Protestantism if you want to.

Originally posted by PunishedMuskovy:

And what makes Reformed so bad? Regarding Malvastor's post

Fair warning that I haven't played as Reformed, so maybe it works better in practice. I've avoided it because, from what I see, it has an extreme lack of flexibility. There are three sets of bonuses you can have. Each one costs 5 points of fervor per month. And according to the wiki the theoretical max is ~11 fervor per month- if you're playing as one of a small list of tags that get fervor from their national ideas. The bonuses themselves aren't that bad, but they're not good enough in my opinion to be worth the extremely limited selection.

Reformed did work out well for me as Netherlands as i was swimming in Fervor so I could just bounce between war and trade whenever I wanted to
but im guessing the same can be said for Prottieism

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by PunishedMuskovy:

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Hussite works pretty much like Protestantism, just with different bonuses. Some arguably worse, some arguably better. And like Marquoz said, you can instaconvert to Protestantism if you want to.




Fair warning that I haven't played as Reformed, so maybe it works better in practice. I've avoided it because, from what I see, it has an extreme lack of flexibility. There are three sets of bonuses you can have. Each one costs 5 points of fervor per month. And according to the wiki the theoretical max is ~11 fervor per month- if you're playing as one of a small list of tags that get fervor from their national ideas. The bonuses themselves aren't that bad, but they're not good enough in my opinion to be worth the extremely limited selection.

Reformed did work out well for me as Netherlands as i was swimming in Fervor so I could just bounce between war and trade whenever I wanted to
but im guessing the same can be said for Prottieism

Yeah, I preferred Protestant in my Netherlands run so I could speed up colonization. And the dev cost aspect dovetails with the Netherlands being encouraged to dev the bejeezus out of their lands.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

At the end of the day, all of these discussions about weaker vs. stronger denominations are going to be invalidated in no more than a couple months anyway, since they're going to be reworking all the currently-obsolete Christian denominations in 1.34.

And as for the divorce/find new consort, the sole reason they exist currently is for that Henry VIII achievement where you need to have six consorts within the lifespan of one ruler. They're going to be given some actual effects as part of the rework.

[KernelPopcorn]

Originally posted by Malvastor:

Originally posted by PunishedMuskovy:

Noticing no mention of Hussite
what makes Hussite better than Anglicanism? Hussite just looks like diet Protestantism
Edit: didnt see Marquoz's mention of Hus in his post

Hussite works pretty much like Protestantism, just with different bonuses. Some arguably worse, some arguably better. And like Marquoz said, you can instaconvert to Protestantism if you want to.

Originally posted by PunishedMuskovy:

And what makes Reformed so bad? Regarding Malvastor's post

Fair warning that I haven't played as Reformed, so maybe it works better in practice. I've avoided it because, from what I see, it has an extreme lack of flexibility. There are three sets of bonuses you can have. Each one costs 5 points of fervor per month. And according to the wiki the theoretical max is ~11 fervor per month- if you're playing as one of a small list of tags that get fervor from their national ideas. The bonuses themselves aren't that bad, but they're not good enough in my opinion to be worth the extremely limited selection.

Here, judge for yourself:

Fervent focus on
Stability:
−2 National unrest
+1 Diplomatic reputation

Trade
+10% Global trade power
+10% Trade efficiency

War
+10% Morale of armies
+10% Morale of navies

That's it. That's all you can do with Reformed. Even less flexible than Anglican, it only arguably wins out because two of the five things you can do as Anglican are totally useless.

The only reason you might consider taking reformed over protestant (or Anglican) is if you REALLY need 10 naval morale - the only scenario that comes to mind is a multiplayer GB with lots of enemies. Even then, protestants get 5 naval morale. I would take the dev cost reduction and inno gain from Anglican over the reformed buffs 9 times out of 10. Not saying Anglican is good, just that Reformed is really bad, probably the worst Christian denomination imo.

[Server Jester]

heres another lil question i think ill just include here instead of a new thread:
Why is Sunni considered better than Shia?

[ChaffyExpert]

Who says that? you get mercantilism and money and dev cost.