Institutions and Ming.

[CaptainChronic]

How exactly do these institutions work? Im playing as Ming and have a 120% tech penalty, the Renaissance isnt showing up and im having to use console codes to keep up with monarch points else the likes of Lan Xang and Oirat will overtake me and thats ridiculous.

[Erik_Rex]

it will show up, but it will not be there for a long time, if you think the new system puts the asias on even ground with europe you are mistaken. Institution spread is slow and as the ming is also really big it will take even longer.

the one thing you can do to speed it up is to develope 1 province really high to make the institution spawn there too and it will start spreading from there

[CaptainChronic]

Ah ok fair enough, time to turn Beijing into the greatest city ever.

[DrUltraLux]

Originally posted by CaptainChronic:

Ah ok fair enough, time to turn Beijing into the greatest city ever.

This. Have a few hugely developed provinces (get to 30 development if you can), before Renaissance starts and you should get a node fairly quickly. The spread will still be slow, but you wont be that far behind Europe then.

Also you should be able to get to 6 administration easily as Ming before the Renaissance pops. Take Exploration as your first idea and get to the Americas. That way you have a very good chance of being where the Colonsation idea spawns and you get to screw Europe over in the same way that the Renaissance screws over Asia.

From there on you are screwed unless you can somehow convert to protestantism.

[Omniconda]

wait to develop till after the institution pops as development will cause it to gain some spread automatically. if you can force it to become present in just 1-3 highly developed provinces embracing it shouldnt be difficult.
This can be done for all the institutions but you only need 4 to end the celestial kingdom thing.
Points spent on development wont slow you down as you would have only spent them on the tech penalty or westernisation in the old version.
preparing teh buildings you need for future institution spread might even make it so you dont have to develop to much for them. manufactarys, universitys. trade depots etc.

[達朝滅亡已成假]

dun give institutions a fk,expand to europe, u should be there around 1550

[Pozz]

Originally posted by 說三道四 指手劃腳:

dun give institutions a fk,expand to europe, u should be there around 1550

After 1.5years he probably either figured it out or ditched the Ming game =p