I got a spare copy of the game from Humble Bundle. - Can I sell it?

[Blunder Bro]

I haven't opened it yet, so can do a Steam gift if someone wanted, but is it okay to do? I would think you could at least do the Steam gist thing. I also have a spare copy of Expansion: El Dorado.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

https://support.humblebundle.com/hc/en-us/articles/204527298-Top-20-FAQ#sell-key

You'd need to use Humbles Gifting system, otherwise it's against their ToS. Selling is forbidden; nor is it ethical.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Giveaways are fine, reselling on the other hand is very widely frowned upon, to the point that Steam even auto-censors the name of one of the most popular key reselling sites.

[Xautos]

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

I haven't opened it yet, so can do a Steam gift if someone wanted, but is it okay to do? I would think you could at least do the Steam gist thing. I also have a spare copy of Expansion: El Dorado.

If you do use the gifting system on HB and you put the keys up, please remove a number or two from the code and then have a easy math test to help users fill in the blank(s). This is to prevent bots from scooping those codes before anyone else can get at them.

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Giveaways are fine, reselling on the other hand is very widely frowned upon, to the point that Steam even auto-censors the name of one of the most popular key reselling sites.

Popular i wouldn't state, but that particular reseller mentioned (with the two letters and a number in the middle) also fences stolen keys, there is a history of it.

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As for humble bundle sale for EU4? it's now down to its last few hours, so if anyone has any desire to get the collection at £15, it's now or never. There may not be another like it for EU4.

[KernelPopcorn]

Originally posted by Xautos:

As for humble bundle sale for EU4? it's now down to its last few hours, so if anyone has any desire to get the collection at £15, it's now or never. There may not be another like it for EU4.

True. However it's worth pointing out that this is the second time humble bundle has sold the entire game for around that price in recent memory, but it seems to be a lot more popular this time around. With EU4 as old as it is I wouldn't surprised if they did it a third time.

[Flammable]

can you sell it if you take trade ideas ?

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by Sharpie:

https://support.humblebundle.com/hc/en-us/articles/204527298-Top-20-FAQ#sell-key

You'd need to use Humbles Gifting system, otherwise it's against their ToS. Selling is forbidden; nor is it ethical.

You mean "gift to a friend"? That is what I am talking about as an option. Can I do that and take paypal or something. Is that allowed? I am in the UK so I don't know if the consumer law protects for that or what.

[Preacher]

Why would it be unethical to sell something YOU own (the license to)?

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by Preacher:

Why would it be unethical to sell something YOU own (the license to)?

Because, as you just said, you don't own it; you own a license, which can basically be thought of as limited permission to use the product on the terms its developer or publisher dictates. Typically, those terms specifically forbid you from attempting to sell or even distribute this license to others.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Originally posted by Preacher:

Why would it be unethical to sell something YOU own (the license to)?

It also undermines the point of the charity; Which is practically what Humbles model is. Key resellers will abuse this for their own profit on key sites. Either way somebody is getting screwed later down the line, most likely the developers of the game since the 'sale' is still on-going at very low prices on key sites. Pretty much their kindness damages their profit pretty heavy later on. You can take Mass Effect Legendary Edition as an example of this.

The whole point of Humble is to donate what you can towards something that matters to you; Whether that be the developer/humble bundle/charity. You're not supposed to profit from that.

[EpicD1CK]

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

I haven't opened it yet, so can do a Steam gift if someone wanted, but is it okay to do? I would think you could at least do the Steam gist thing. I also have a spare copy of Expansion: El Dorado.

Sure just dont tell anyone bro

[Blunder Bro]

Originally posted by EpicD1CK:

Originally posted by Demonic Cookie:

I haven't opened it yet, so can do a Steam gift if someone wanted, but is it okay to do? I would think you could at least do the Steam gist thing. I also have a spare copy of Expansion: El Dorado.

Sure just dont tell anyone bro

Okay?

[LSD]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Originally posted by Preacher:

Why would it be unethical to sell something YOU own (the license to)?

Because, as you just said, you don't own it; you own a license, which can basically be thought of as limited permission to use the product on the terms its developer or publisher dictates. Typically, those terms specifically forbid you from attempting to sell or even distribute this license to others.

That argument is corporate American bullschnips that doesn't apply in the real world. When you buy it, you own it. The only limitation is that what you're doing musn't infringe on the rights of the seller, or break other laws (e.g., copyright).
You don't own a "licence", you own the game. DRM like Steam attempts to curb your rights by restricting your ability to resell your games, but ultimately, their claims don't hold up in civilised courts.

The reason reselling a Humble Bundle key is frowned upon is because Humble Bundle built a name for themselves making bundles of indie games at super cheap "pay what you want" prices, where the proceeds went to charity.
Soon enough they stopped being indie games, and stopped being "pay what you want", to "beat the average", to a tier system. And then they tacked on a mandatory 15% cut of all money for themselves.

Nowadays, nobody cares if you resell it. You bought it. You own it. Do as you will with it. The seller/dev/publisher's restrictions ended the moment you bought it. It's like saying "you can only put Honda-branded oil in your engine", or "Shimano branded brake fluid in your bike". It's about £££, not your legal responsibility.

[JVC]

Originally posted by LSD:

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Because, as you just said, you don't own it; you own a license, which can basically be thought of as limited permission to use the product on the terms its developer or publisher dictates. Typically, those terms specifically forbid you from attempting to sell or even distribute this license to others.

That argument is corporate American bullschnips that doesn't apply in the real world. When you buy it, you own it. The only limitation is that what you're doing musn't infringe on the rights of the seller, or break other laws (e.g., copyright).
You don't own a "licence", you own the game. DRM like Steam attempts to curb your rights by restricting your ability to resell your games, but ultimately, their claims don't hold up in civilised courts.

The reason reselling a Humble Bundle key is frowned upon is because Humble Bundle built a name for themselves making bundles of indie games at super cheap "pay what you want" prices, where the proceeds went to charity.
Soon enough they stopped being indie games, and stopped being "pay what you want", to "beat the average", to a tier system. And then they tacked on a mandatory 15% cut of all money for themselves.

Nowadays, nobody cares if you resell it. You bought it. You own it. Do as you will with it. The seller/dev/publisher's restrictions ended the moment you bought it. It's like saying "you can only put Honda-branded oil in your engine", or "Shimano branded brake fluid in your bike". It's about £££, not your legal responsibility.

That's a direct lie. You're violating the terms of service which means that the license is void.

[LSD]

Originally posted by JVC:

Originally posted by LSD:

That argument is corporate American bullschnips that doesn't apply in the real world. When you buy it, you own it. The only limitation is that what you're doing musn't infringe on the rights of the seller, or break other laws (e.g., copyright).
You don't own a "licence", you own the game. DRM like Steam attempts to curb your rights by restricting your ability to resell your games, but ultimately, their claims don't hold up in civilised courts.

The reason reselling a Humble Bundle key is frowned upon is because Humble Bundle built a name for themselves making bundles of indie games at super cheap "pay what you want" prices, where the proceeds went to charity.
Soon enough they stopped being indie games, and stopped being "pay what you want", to "beat the average", to a tier system. And then they tacked on a mandatory 15% cut of all money for themselves.

Nowadays, nobody cares if you resell it. You bought it. You own it. Do as you will with it. The seller/dev/publisher's restrictions ended the moment you bought it. It's like saying "you can only put Honda-branded oil in your engine", or "Shimano branded brake fluid in your bike". It's about £££, not your legal responsibility.

That's a direct lie. You're violating the terms of service which means that the license is void.

Terms of service don't supersede contract law, especially in countries that have enshrined consumer protection into law. For example, in the EU:
"The exclusive right of distribution of a copy of a computer program covered by such a licence is exhausted on its first sale".

Corporate American culture =/= the law.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by LSD:

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Because, as you just said, you don't own it; you own a license, which can basically be thought of as limited permission to use the product on the terms its developer or publisher dictates. Typically, those terms specifically forbid you from attempting to sell or even distribute this license to others.

That argument is corporate American bullschnips that doesn't apply in the real world. When you buy it, you own it. The only limitation is that what you're doing musn't infringe on the rights of the seller, or break other laws (e.g., copyright).

Okay, sure. Try that argument in court, tell me how it goes. I think you'll be surprised.

Ah, right, EU. Most of your lawmakers are still decrepit fossils who don't even understand what the Internet is... guess your laws regarding digital IP still haven't caught up yet. It'll come soon, don't worry.