Neapolitan Succession event. Any reason to pay Papal State it's dues

[DarkMjolnir]

There is an event that seems to often fire in the current version of the game as naples where you become independent without having to wage an independence war really early in the campaign.

You get a choice to either give Papal state 100 ducats and take a legiimacy hit...or to just not.

Why would you go with the payment and stability hit for this event? There doesn't seem to be any other difference between the choices in the tool tip.

[RCMidas]

For you, immediately, none. However, there is a good chance that if you don't bribe the Pope to chill out, he will either recognise the old French claim to the Neapolitan throne (in which case France gets a Restoration of Union CB against you) or declare his intent to subjugate you by force (in which case the Papal State gets a Subjugation CB against you.

His other option is to take a hit of -40 Prestige, which the Pope rarely likes doing.

So you can lose 100 ducats and some Legitimacy to avoid either the French or the Pope having the right to trample you at their earliest convenience.

[DarkMjolnir]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

For you, immediately, none. However, there is a good chance that if you don't bribe the Pope to chill out, he will either recognise the old French claim to the Neapolitan throne (in which case France gets a Restoration of Union CB against you) or declare his intent to subjugate you by force (in which case the Papal State gets a Subjugation CB against you.

His other option is to take a hit of -40 Prestige, which the Pope rarely likes doing.

So you can lose 100 ducats and some Legitimacy to avoid either the French or the Pope having the right to trample you at their earliest convenience.

I usually ally with France which I think tend to scare the pope from attacking me and keeps france from trying to attack me.

[Poil]

Doesn't vassalizing Naples as the Papal states give you suicidal amounts of AE with everyone? Even if the AI pope does that it won't last I suspect.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by Poil:

Doesn't vassalizing Naples as the Papal states give you suicidal amounts of AE with everyone? Even if the AI pope does that it won't last I suspect.

Ehh, not really. Unless they doubled the AE from Subjugation CB's the same way they did Restoration of Union CB's, it's actually pretty manageable. As long as you haven't expanded anywhere else yet, you may get a coalition of a few Italian nations, and Naples itself will take several years to become loyal, but that's about it. It's probably more AE than the AI would normally be willing to risk taking, but it's certainly not "forcibly PU'ing Bohemia as Austria in 1.32.0 and getting coalitioned by literally the entire HRE" levels of bad.

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Poil:

Doesn't vassalizing Naples as the Papal states give you suicidal amounts of AE with everyone? Even if the AI pope does that it won't last I suspect.

...why would it...? Its a vassalization cb and the pope has curia control early on...