Out of all nations, why make the Mughals the most powerful?

[Confused Fool]

The Mughal's ideas are insane, and they can most likely take on Europeans easily. Not so much in history though. Didn't they get destroyed by the British? I just wonder why they have to be so powerful, out of all other countries.

[Doomed World]

The british Conqured them outside of the games scope, they were a super power till them controling most of India

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by TheBestDorito:

The Mughal's ideas are insane, and they can most likely take on Europeans easily. Not so much in history though. Didn't they get destroyed by the British? I just wonder why they have to be so powerful, out of all other countries.

Like most great empires, they have systems that propel them to great heights, but deteriorate after becoming less useful. One of these was their military. While, yes, it was modern, well kept, and strong against other Indian nations, the British had better tactics and better quality weapons. The system that made the army of the Mughals so powerful also became their downfall, as they could not match up against the British or adapt.

The same goes with the Ottomans. The book of Kanunammes, Janissary corps, and reliance on the silk road made them a force to be reckoned in the early modern era, but when Europe began to advance in their own ways (AKA industrial revolution), the Ottomans could not keep up because of widespread corruption in both their Bureaucracy and their military.

The problem with EU4 is that they do not show these deteriorating ideas, but rather just keep them as effective as ever, and that is why the three gunpowder nations (Ottomans, Mughals, and Persians) are super OP in the game; A mix of superb trade routes, powerful military ideas, and weak neighbors to exploit.

[Barbarian]

Originally posted by TheBestDorito:

The Mughal's ideas are insane, and they can most likely take on Europeans easily. Not so much in history though. Didn't they get destroyed by the British? I just wonder why they have to be so powerful, out of all other countries.

Dont you know world history? At a time Mughals were on their pinnacle of power. Samarkand was the trading hub and research, art and economic theories were exported from the Mughals. Right now USA is considered a superpower but they will be challenged by someone else sooner or later. Either China or Russia will take the lead. The world history clearly shows us that. The Roman empire was shattered, The British empire is nothing but a foonote in history and they have not yet understood that the empire is long gone, the Ottomans were destroyed and so on.

Basically mughals were descendant of the great Djengis Khan. He conquered land and established the Ilkhanate. From there the horde went to what now i Russia and vassalized them. They waged war everywhere, also todays China. Because of succession crisis after a Khans dead the horde was divided. You had the Uzbek horde, the Crimea horde, the Golden horde, the Kazan horde, Chagati, Oirat and their vassal Mongolia, Yarkand, Transoxiana and the Timurids. Some of the horde became christians and some muslims while others were of animist faith or the tengri faith. The muslim side of the horde governed India after Delhi was conquered. Even though India has embraced nationalism more and more lately, they simply cannot change history. And that history is full of mughal contribution in every sense.

If you have eaten tandoori chicken, well it is from the royal mughal cuisine. Have you eaten chicken tikka? Lamb curry? Pulao? Biryani? All are mughal recipes.

Please read history.

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by Barbarian:

Originally posted by TheBestDorito:

The Mughal's ideas are insane, and they can most likely take on Europeans easily. Not so much in history though. Didn't they get destroyed by the British? I just wonder why they have to be so powerful, out of all other countries.

Dont you know world history? At a time Mughals were on their pinnacle of power. Samarkand was the trading hub and research, art and economic theories were exported from the Mughals. Right now USA is considered a superpower but they will be challenged by someone else sooner or later. Either China or Russia will take the lead. The world history clearly shows us that. The Roman empire was shattered, The British empire is nothing but a foonote in history and they have not yet understood that the empire is long gone, the Ottomans were destroyed and so on.

Basically mughals were descendant of the great Djengis Khan. He conquered land and established the Ilkhanate. From there the horde went to what now i Russia and vassalized them. They waged war everywhere, also todays China. Because of succession crisis after a Khans dead the horde was divided. You had the Uzbek horde, the Crimea horde, the Golden horde, the Kazan horde, Chagati, Oirat and their vassal Mongolia, Yarkand, Transoxiana and the Timurids. Some of the horde became christians and some muslims while others were of animist faith or the tengri faith. The muslim side of the horde governed India after Delhi was conquered. Even though India has embraced nationalism more and more lately, they simply cannot change history. And that history is full of mughal contribution in every sense.

If you have eaten tandoori chicken, well it is from the royal mughal cuisine. Have you eaten chicken tikka? Lamb curry? Pulao? Biryani? All are mughal recipes.

Please read history.

1. The Mughals were actually descended from the Afghan tribes that answered to the Timurids. The Timurids fell to Persia around the early-mid 16th century. The Afghan tribes survived, however, and were united, along with groups like Baluchistan and Sind. This formed the Basis of the Mughals.

2. The Mughals were a lot like many Middle Eastern, European, and Indian nations, and like the gunpowder empires, or any empire in general, they absorbed and ultimately transformed culture in the area they ruled; key word; ABSORBED! They didn't just immediately change the cultural makeup of India and Afghanistan; Instead, they actually conformed to the many traditions of the people there.

- Their Mosques, Palaces, and other architectural works had the influence of Hinduism and Buddhism, as well as many contributions from the Punjabi, Hindustani, and Bengali cultures.

- Many of their traditions were derived from Middle Eastern states, and their religious traditions were held in Arabic, because it was considered to be the language of Allah.

- Like the other two gunpowder empires, they had complex Bureaucratic systems that held the empire together. Akbar himself had instated the Zabt system; which was a monetary taxation system and was paid in a state issued currency rather than material tribute common in Asia. This taxation system was thought to be derived from Ottoman and European taxation systems.

- They grew crops and raised animals associated with other parts of the world, such as opium and silk from China, Tobacco from the Americas, and Coffee from the Middle East. This formed the basis of their economy.

- They had complex irrigation and transportation systems that dwarfed even Roman and Chinese systems, but also took hints from them, like the canal systems of the Indus and Ganges rivers, which was originally a Chinese technology.

- And they weren't the first Indian Dynasty to drastically change the course of the Subcontinent. The Gupta and Mauryan empires made just as much of a contribution.

So yes. You are right. The Mughals were simply just another footnote in history, just another empire. And, yes, they did contribute much, but they eventually fell.

And the reason for both their rise and their fall was just that. They adopted the cultures of India and the Middle east, and made it their own. They grew decadent, and when the British came, they could not compete.