Ottomans, remain Sunni or flip to Orthodox?

[DaniTheHero]

Assuming you should change to Orthodox , what would be the best method to do so?

[RCMidas]

I mean, I do fully grant you it's damned good for accelerating religious spread in more than half the world, but you'll still have to fight through some of the most developed and tiring provinces to finish it up.

Amusingly, Jews get it better in that regard with their regular random event that auto-converts any Christian or Muslim province to Judaism. Their start is rough as all Golgotha, of course.

[DaniTheHero]

Welp I decided to stay Suuni. Hope I don't regret it.

[Malvastor]

DaniTheHero eredeti hozzászólása:

Welp I decided to stay Suuni. Hope I don't regret it.

Don't worry, you're playing as Ottomans- it's hard to regret almost anything you do with them. And staying Sunni lets you keep some of the best perks of Ottoman play.

[RCMidas]

Sunni *is* the strongest denomination of one of the strongest religions (simply because more provinces are Sunni than Shia/Ibadi and therefore saves you time and effort to correct) and being the Ottomans - whether or not you go Orthodox - is equally one of the strongest openings to a game you will have. So it's hard to fail unless you actively sabotage yourself.

[Kapika96]

Yeah, I think Sunni are definitely better here. The main advantage of Orthodox is being able to get PUs. But eh, you can just conquer everything as the Ottos anyway. Plus diplo-vassalising OPMs in Italy/Germany is definitely still viable even as Sunni.

Sunni has so many advantages that more than make up for the lack of PUs though!

[Marquoz]

RCMidas eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, I do fully grant you it's damned good for accelerating religious spread in more than half the world, but you'll still have to fight through some of the most developed and tiring provinces to finish it up.

There are so many high dev provinces in India now that's it's almost Europe Part II from a One Faith or WC standpoint. Being able to just "set it and forget it" with merchant conversion there (and in China, SE Asia, Indonesia, Japan, and so on) is a huge, huge plus for One Faith.

[cråck]

op never asked to oneF, but is trying his first ever wc, in witch case both religions are actually fine,

-playing as ottoman sunni is best for the gov type as its designed to help in wc overall (at least it was)
-dhimmi gives you tolerenace for pagan and tech cost when happy and has unique priviege that allows you not suffering any unrest from pagans, this one is unabled by default for ottomans, later all you have to convert will be shia /ibadi witch is very little ig
-on the other hand orthodox means less ae on the christian nations aswell as mentionned above possible pu over france, spain, england or any other coloniser, witch also might help in terms of time to wc
-consdering most of the land you are interested on early-mid game are sunni or owned by sunnis (egypt, persia, india), going orthomans might result in a lot more ae and rebels in this areas

in any case as first world conquest i would suggest pick any horde, it just makes the life easier

[Dante_Deepdarkness]

DaniTheHero eredeti hozzászólása:

Welp I decided to stay Suuni. Hope I don't regret it.

I doubt you will. Even if you don't manage to accomplish one or both.
I'm actually trying a 1 Faith with the Mughals and, essentially, I'm actively converting Europe and Africa (because the northern parts has been mostly Sunni, and Central Africa became catholic and with the trade nodes you can’t convert them, and the southern provinces were colonies from Spain, England and Asterix, so I’m working in all the continent) while I let the religious conversion from trade nodes do the job in Asia (except for some provinces early on, when I didn't have that much land to convert neither enough merchants), and things are going faster than I expected, I even activated it in the Midway (the node from the pacific islands) to let it do the stuff. And considering to start using the scholar that gives me an extra merchant and put it in Australia (half Anglican due to England -no UK in my game-) so I will probably won't need to work hard there neither.
Probably I will end converting some provinces myself, but for now I prefer to focus on Catholic and Orthodox mostly, Fetish and Tengri then. Luckly enough I got rid of the rest of the Muslim faiths some time ago.
Be aware giving the dhimmi the state... can't remember the name, but if my memory isn't tricking on me, it makes impossible to convert a province with it, just like if you put the province in a trade company.

[DaniTheHero]

Any advise regarding admin points?
It takes so much to core everything , I’d never get enough to properly get religious or humanist ideas.

[Malvastor]

DaniTheHero eredeti hozzászólása:

Any advise regarding admin points?
It takes so much to core everything , I’d never get enough to properly get religious or humanist ideas.

1. Take Administrative ideas. -25% coring costs, plus the -20% you get from Ottoman ideas.

2. Split your expansion between conquest and vassalization/integration. Take Influence ideas and together with the Administrative-Influence policy, you'll have -45% diplo-annexation costs. Attack a big enemy and take one province of an country that doesn't currently exist and has a bunch of other cores. Convert it to your religion, release and vassalize it, then use the Reconquest CB to feed them the rest of their cores before annexing them. Repeat process. This way you split the costs of expansion between Admin and Diplo points, instead of just leaning on one.

Bonus: Less AE.

3. Put everything you can in trade companies- you get even more benefit than you would from states, at half the Admin point cost while using much less governing capacity.

4. Where you can, get claims, either from missions or spy networks. This is a minor point though, so if you really want a province don't let a lack of a claim hold you back.

[Dante_Deepdarkness]

DaniTheHero eredeti hozzászólása:

Any advise regarding admin points?
It takes so much to core everything , I’d never get enough to properly get religious or humanist ideas.

Malvastor already answered. But I want to point that I rely in feed vassals and annex them later. Especially useful when you take that vassal far from you, you can feed them over their cores until you border them, and then annex (don't feed them too much or keeping them loyal becomes a problem). You will spend more diplo points and time annexing them that way, but it is fine.
A part from that, because your vassals are weaker, they tend to be the firsts being sieged, which gives you a better situation early on. It is not that important once you are big.
They get easily in debt (having the provinces occupied have its penalties), but if you have a strong economy it is a win-win. You pay their debts -> they are happier with you so less willing to be disloyal, and because they are happier every time you give them a province...
There are people who don't need vassals for a WC, I need them (in fact my first WC wasn't a 1 tag) and the thing works fine.

EDIT: Look for diplo-vassalize countries that has been almost eaten, they become loyal since the very beginning, they are easier to manage when you enforce religion, and you get less AE because you don't need to force it from wars. In case of doubts, look the ideas they have, go for the ones with religious if you go for the 1 faith.

[DaniTheHero]

Malvastor eredeti hozzászólása:

DaniTheHero eredeti hozzászólása:

Any advise regarding admin points?
It takes so much to core everything , I’d never get enough to properly get religious or humanist ideas.

1. Take Administrative ideas. -25% coring costs, plus the -20% you get from Ottoman ideas.

2. Split your expansion between conquest and vassalization/integration. Take Influence ideas and together with the Administrative-Influence policy, you'll have -45% diplo-annexation costs. Attack a big enemy and take one province of an country that doesn't currently exist and has a bunch of other cores. Convert it to your religion, release and vassalize it, then use the Reconquest CB to feed them the rest of their cores before annexing them. Repeat process. This way you split the costs of expansion between Admin and Diplo points, instead of just leaning on one.

Bonus: Less AE.

3. Put everything you can in trade companies- you get even more benefit than you would from states, at half the Admin point cost while using much less governing capacity.

4. Where you can, get claims, either from missions or spy networks. This is a minor point though, so if you really want a province don't let a lack of a claim hold you back.

I also want to work on one faith though, If I don't get religious ideas and I make non Suuni provinces into trade companies i'll never flip them

[Malvastor]

DaniTheHero eredeti hozzászólása:

Malvastor eredeti hozzászólása:

1. Take Administrative ideas. -25% coring costs, plus the -20% you get from Ottoman ideas.

2. Split your expansion between conquest and vassalization/integration. Take Influence ideas and together with the Administrative-Influence policy, you'll have -45% diplo-annexation costs. Attack a big enemy and take one province of an country that doesn't currently exist and has a bunch of other cores. Convert it to your religion, release and vassalize it, then use the Reconquest CB to feed them the rest of their cores before annexing them. Repeat process. This way you split the costs of expansion between Admin and Diplo points, instead of just leaning on one.

Bonus: Less AE.

3. Put everything you can in trade companies- you get even more benefit than you would from states, at half the Admin point cost while using much less governing capacity.

4. Where you can, get claims, either from missions or spy networks. This is a minor point though, so if you really want a province don't let a lack of a claim hold you back.

I also want to work on one faith though, If I don't get religious ideas and I make non Suuni provinces into trade companies i'll never flip them

That's where Propagate Religion[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] comes in. Your merchant acts as a Center of Reformation, but for Islam. It only works on non-Abrahamic provinces, but almost everything you can put in TCs as the Ottomans is non-Abrahamic anyway.

And of course you can always convert provinces before putting them in a TC- I always do that as Catholic for papal points.

That said, if you're doing a One Faith run Religious is probably worthwhile. Not only does it boost your conversion power, it gives you one of the best CBs in the game.

[DaniTheHero]

Malvastor eredeti hozzászólása:

DaniTheHero eredeti hozzászólása:

I also want to work on one faith though, If I don't get religious ideas and I make non Suuni provinces into trade companies i'll never flip them

That's where Propagate Religion[eu4.paradoxwikis.com] comes in. Your merchant acts as a Center of Reformation, but for Islam. It only works on non-Abrahamic provinces, but almost everything you can put in TCs as the Ottomans is non-Abrahamic anyway.

And of course you can always convert provinces before putting them in a TC- I always do that as Catholic for papal points.

That said, if you're doing a One Faith run Religious is probably worthwhile. Not only does it boost your conversion power, it gives you one of the best CBs in the game.

The tradenode thing won't help with Europe though

[Marquoz]

cråck eredeti hozzászólása:

op never asked to oneF, but is trying his first ever wc, in witch case both religions are actually fine,

Yes he did. He called it One Religion, but he meant One Faith:

DaniTheHero eredeti hozzászólása:

I'll wait for more opinions about what would be better or/and easier for WC and/or one Religion