Art of War or Common Sense?

[Rahro]

I have enouh money left in my card to buy one of them. I read on the net that common sense is essential while art of war actually has some of its features inside the game now as a free patch.

Which one should i get?

[brian_va]

the essential part of common sense is in the base now, aow is probably the better bet

[tonypa]

Both had their best feature added to base game for free. I would agree that AoW is more useful.

[Rahro]

Thanks, btw could you elaborate a little further? What was the essential features of those dlcs and why art of war over common sense? Thanks

[tonypa]

Essential feature added to the base game in late 2018:
- Art of War - transfer occupation
- Common Sense - manual development of provinces using monarch points

AoW has:
- Marches
- selling, mothballing and upgrading fleet
- Religious League War (I would buy the DLC just for that, big, fun, chaotic event to mess up whole Western europe)
- Revolutionary Target
- client states
- better peace mechanics (relations change, revoke cores, war reparations)
- use your subjects claims to start war

Common Sense has:
- More flavour stuff for Theocracy, buddhist, Protestant
- parliaments,
- government ranks
- free cities in HRE
- more subject interactions
- National focus.

[Rahro]

Thanks man you have been a huge help!

[VaderDFXB]

Wow, Common sense seems really weak compared to AoW after development got added to the base game. AoW is actually still useful to get even after transferring occupation got added to base.

[meme]

Thanks for this post....new player in vanilla here which i dont really intend to change, the only thing that temps me is AOW because of selling, mothballing and upgrading fleet, bit kind of pigs me off it not been in the base game....so i feel torn !

[VaderDFXB]

Originally posted by SaturnVuk:

Thanks for this post....new player in vanilla here which i dont really intend to change, the only thing that temps me is AOW because of selling, mothballing and upgrading fleet, bit kind of pigs me off it not been in the base game....so i feel torn !

Welcome to EUIV, where you get clubbed to death with old DLC that should be free at this point.

[meme]

Originally posted by VaderDFXB:

Originally posted by SaturnVuk:

Thanks for this post....new player in vanilla here which i dont really intend to change, the only thing that temps me is AOW because of selling, mothballing and upgrading fleet, bit kind of pigs me off it not been in the base game....so i feel torn !

Welcome to EUIV, where you get clubbed to death with old DLC that should be free at this point.

lol, trying to stay positve really, im enjoying the game alot just in vanilla and to say i only payed £5 for it cant complain at all, but yea like i said regarding AOW i can totally see how players can get drawn into one DLC to another......hay ho

[brian_va]

Originally posted by SaturnVuk:

Originally posted by VaderDFXB:

Welcome to EUIV, where you get clubbed to death with old DLC that should be free at this point.

lol, trying to stay positve really, im enjoying the game alot just in vanilla and to say i only payed £5 for it cant complain at all, but yea like i said regarding AOW i can totally see how players can get drawn into one DLC to another......hay ho

anytime you start talking about DLC, you'll get a fairly predictable crowd show up to complain. at some point, you'll either join them, counter-troll, or learn how to block them.

[meme]

Originally posted by brian_va:

Originally posted by SaturnVuk:

lol, trying to stay positve really, im enjoying the game alot just in vanilla and to say i only payed £5 for it cant complain at all, but yea like i said regarding AOW i can totally see how players can get drawn into one DLC to another......hay ho

anytime you start talking about DLC, you'll get a fairly predictable crowd show up to complain. at some point, you'll either join them, counter-troll, or learn how to block them.

Ah yea i get you, i just dont want get involved with that whole negate debate really, im just trying to keep my experience with this game as "simple" (as if thats possible with EU4 :)) and fresh as i can.
All i know is i payed £5 for the game, i think its amazing and would probably have payed alot more for the base game many, many years ago if i could have broken through in just understanding the basics before.............
As with any game i play and enjoy i will always try to be positive about my overall experience, one thing i just never understand is how players can have thousands of hours in a game and even say "its the best game ive ever played" in there review and then not recommend the game because of one small aspect of the game that there not that keen on, i just dont get that at all.
Im totally anti DLCs really, and yea i really would LOVE to have the ability to moth my feets that AOW brings, but would that make me change my review to a negate one.....NO WAY....thats because of the overall experience i have had with the game, dispite the things that pig me off.........

[brian_va]

yep. as you learn, youll want new experiences, to add more to the game. the dlcs provide that, and can be had on sale about every month from somewhere.

[meme]

Originally posted by brian_va:

yep. as you learn, youll want new experiences, to add more to the game. the dlcs provide that, and can be had on sale about every month from somewhere.

Pretty much my thoughs on this too, especially now....i mean the base game with the what i understand as the two main DLCs are easy to find for under £15 for all three of them.....not to bad really........(oooops am i talking myself into DLC.......darn! lol)

[VaderDFXB]

Just remember to wait for a 75% off sale for the DLC. They used to happen alot more often but now it's only once or twice a year. Most DLC are only worth it then. Some not even then.