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therealfrenchruby Nov 25, 2021 @ 9:34am
How do you make subjects more loyal??
I'm playing as france and my subjects (Brittany Orleans and Burgandy) are all disloyal :mailedfist:(but the rest of my subjects think i'm a good overlord)
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Originally posted by Malvastor:
In the short term you can dev their provinces to reduce liberty desire. Note that this is expensive, wears off, and ultimately makes them more powerful, so use it sparingly as a stop-gap.

In the long-term:
  • Keep their opinion high. If you have enough diplomats, set one to automatically improve relations with subjects. Make sure you've got a royal marriage with them. If you need a quick boost, send a gift or influence nation.
  • Stay stronger than them. Vassals' liberty desire is affected by the total strength of all your vassals. If you've got e.g. 5 or 6 vassals with a handful of provinces each, they're individually puny but put together they start getting ideas in their head. Feeding vassals is good, but don't give them so much that they start to outweigh you. Make sure you're significantly larger and have as large an army as you can afford. And periodically annex a couple vassals to reduce their combined strength.
  • Keep on par with diplo techs. It's kinda easy to slip behind on them since some of them are less attractive than spending that mana on ideas, but each diplo tech your vassals have that you don't is like +5% liberty desire.
  • Grab features that improve your ability to manage subjects. Diplomatic and Influence ideas are both fantastic. Both improve diplo rep, Diplomatic makes improving relations faster, and Influence directly reduces liberty desire and makes annexation cheaper. You can also grant the estate privilege 'Strong Duchies' which reduces liberty desire as well (by 10% I think). France gets a unique and slightly better version.
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AC Denton Nov 25, 2021 @ 9:50am 
Hover over their liberty desire value and it'll tell you why they're disloyal.
If it says they're stronger than you, up your tech and/or make more troops.
If it says they have better diplo tech, up your tech.
and so on.
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therealfrenchruby Nov 25, 2021 @ 10:18am 
okay ty
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Malvastor Nov 25, 2021 @ 10:22am 
In the short term you can dev their provinces to reduce liberty desire. Note that this is expensive, wears off, and ultimately makes them more powerful, so use it sparingly as a stop-gap.

In the long-term:
  • Keep their opinion high. If you have enough diplomats, set one to automatically improve relations with subjects. Make sure you've got a royal marriage with them. If you need a quick boost, send a gift or influence nation.
  • Stay stronger than them. Vassals' liberty desire is affected by the total strength of all your vassals. If you've got e.g. 5 or 6 vassals with a handful of provinces each, they're individually puny but put together they start getting ideas in their head. Feeding vassals is good, but don't give them so much that they start to outweigh you. Make sure you're significantly larger and have as large an army as you can afford. And periodically annex a couple vassals to reduce their combined strength.
  • Keep on par with diplo techs. It's kinda easy to slip behind on them since some of them are less attractive than spending that mana on ideas, but each diplo tech your vassals have that you don't is like +5% liberty desire.
  • Grab features that improve your ability to manage subjects. Diplomatic and Influence ideas are both fantastic. Both improve diplo rep, Diplomatic makes improving relations faster, and Influence directly reduces liberty desire and makes annexation cheaper. You can also grant the estate privilege 'Strong Duchies' which reduces liberty desire as well (by 10% I think). France gets a unique and slightly better version.
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bri Nov 25, 2021 @ 10:30am 
One thing Malvastor didn't mention is that the diplo rep advisor will also help as diplo rep directly reduces liberty desire. If you plan to keep one or more around for a while you might also want to make them a march as it reduces liberty desire by 15%.
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