Request Relative As Heir

[rhys118]

i just requested my Byzantine relative to be heir of the Muscovy throne, can someone explain what this does please, i get that when the Muscovy ruler dies now, a member of my Dynasty will get the Muscovy throne, but whats the benefits of this, i don't quite get what happens next ?

[grotaclas]

The benefit is that you can later claim their throne if they end up with a ruler of your dynasty,but without an heir. And if a ruler of your dynasty dies without an heir, you can get a PU in more circumstances

[LuNi]

If another empire has the same dynasty as yours you can claim their throne if they don't have a heir or if their heir has a weak claim. After claiming their throne you can declare a war to force them into personal union.

[RCMidas]

And if you have claimed the throne already, the chances of you becoming the senior partner in a union rise dramatically on top of that.

[rhys118]

Ah, so i would need to declare a war on them for the personal union, Its with Muscovy, which are 3/4 times bigger than me, so war on them is out of the question, thank you all anyways

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by rhys118:

Ah, so i would need to declare a war on them for the personal union, Its with Muscovy, which are 3/4 times bigger than me, so war on them is out of the question, thank you all anyways

Not necessarily- if you can drag in several sufficiently large allies, plus save up/take loans and hire mercs over your force limit, you can take on a nation significantly larger than you. Then use their forces as a battering ram to drive your own expansion.

Also, note that if you get your dynasty on their throne they'll probably stay there. So if it's really impractical you don't have to press for union right away; you can focus on your own expansion and look out for the next opportunity to catch them heirless.

[Kapika96]

Originally posted by rhys118:

Ah, so i would need to declare a war on them for the personal union, Its with Muscovy, which are 3/4 times bigger than me, so war on them is out of the question, thank you all anyways

You'd only need to declare war to make it a sure thing. You can still end up with a PU on them if their ruler dies without an heir. Relying on RNG there, but it's a significantly higher chance of getting a free PU than if they didn't have a ruler of your dynasty.

[rhys118]

The problem I got is, Muscovy are allied with the Commonwealth and Austria. My dynasty is on the throne. My big issue is expansion elsewhere. As I am the Byzantine. To the east I got Timurids and Mamluks who are allied, in North I got the commonwealth, the South is Tunis who are allied with the Mamluks. As its past the year 1600 the game lag is getting silly now so I might just abandon the save. But thank you all for the advice I really do appreciate it

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by rhys118:

The problem I got is, Muscovy are allied with the Commonwealth and Austria. My dynasty is on the throne. My big issue is expansion elsewhere. As I am the Byzantine. To the east I got Timurids and Mamluks who are allied, in North I got the commonwealth, the South is Tunis who are allied with the Mamluks. As its past the year 1600 the game lag is getting silly now so I might just abandon the save. But thank you all for the advice I really do appreciate it

Muscovy allied with Commonwealth is a bit unusual, and pretty unfortunate. That said, there's a reasonable chance that they'll break up once Muscovy/Russia gets permaclaims on like half of the Commonwealth.

[RCMidas]

Keep an eye out for Austria and the Commonwealth to get involved in their own major wars - if it happens - because there's a good chance they'll end up in debt or exhausted and thus unwilling to help Muscovy/Russia resist you.

[Firefinch]

The main benefit is if your dynasty takes the throne and then dies without an heir you get their country for free.