Worst formable nations?

[Usaball]

Hey, just curious what you guys think as far as what the worst formable nations are, with the worst ideas/traditions and the position you're in when you form them.

[DeadRabbit]

Greece is pretty bad and rarely has any reason to be formed. Have bad ideas, no custom events from my knowledge. Only reason to form them is for the achievement they have.

[Lasagna]

Scandenavia until very recently was a straight downgrade from any of the nations that could form it (no unique ideas, and you lost your tag specific events).

now you get to keep your old events so it's just pointless instead of actively hurting you.

Iceland is also really bad to form it as say Norway you need to lose land.

forming HRE and losing the vassal swarm, at least it's not quite as terrible after 1.30 but still not worth losing the subjects.

[Kapika96]

France. Forming them means you have to play as the French, what's worse than that?!

Great Britain too if you're playing as Scotland. That would be like Luke Skywalker finally defeating the Empire only to go and sit on his fat arse on some random planet while just letting the bad guys continue to dominate the galaxy!

The Roman Empire as well. Losing your cultural union isn't worth it. The ideas are good, but there are better ones out there that are easier to get and don't culture shift you.

[Revy]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

The Roman Empire as well. Losing your cultural union isn't worth it. The ideas are good, but there are better ones out there that are easier to get and don't culture shift you.

Yeah this totaly sucks. It adds the lost cultures in the list, converts your main culture into roman and so on..
Now you know what would be awesome? If by forming Roman Empire and since it will enable the lost cultures list, every historical area inside Roman Empire would automatical be converted to its "lost culture".
And since Roman Empire is EMPIRE, the only cultures you'd need to worry about would be your colonial lands and/or ruthenian, baltic, scandi, russian, african, asian ones that are no included into lost culture or never been historical provinces of Roman Empire.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by Kapika96:

The Roman Empire as well. Losing your cultural union isn't worth it.

Unless you're playing Byzantium, in which case your old cultural "union" would only have affected like two provinces anyway.

[Rodi]

Egypt
It literally just makes you lose your mamluk govment

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

The award for "worst formable" still has to go to Scandinavia though; it has an arbitrary Admin tech 20 requirement when you could very easily hold every province necessary before Admin tech 10, does absolutely nothing for you besides giving you an uglier flag and a more unique map color, and is an endgame tag preventing you from forming anything else. The only thing it actually accomplishes is to give you a permanent claim on the Scandinavia region - and if you, as a country trying to form Scandinavia, don't already own every province in that region well before Admin tech 20, you either started in the New World/East Asia or have no idea what you're doing.

Arabia isn't much better, but at least its map color is halfway decent and it has an achievement or two tied to it.

[MasterYi]

Shan, Malta, Estruscia

[Kapika96]

Originally posted by Rodi:

Egypt
It literally just makes you lose your mamluk govment

Only if you play as the Mamluks. A Florence to Egypt run is pretty fun (and comes with an achievement)!

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Shan, Malta, Estruscia

I have to admit that I didn't know that Shan is formable. I looked at the decision and it doesn't even give you the Shan missions, so it is relatively bad. But Malta is definitely not formable and "Estruscia" doesn't even exist in eu4(do you mean "Etruria"?)

[Ashling]

I want to remention Bumble's Iceland, because you'd have to lose land for comparable ideas.

I also think Vermont should have a special mention for having the worst formable nation flag. Sure, their ideas are good, but would you die for that flag? I certainly wouldn't.

Actually, now that I think about it, a lot of colonial formable nations aren't that great when you think about the other nations they could form. United Central America is way worse than forming Mexico, for instance. Forming UNC doesn't give you new ideas, the only reason you'd form them is the free claims but that'd only be on /unowned/ provinces so it wouldn't help you defeat Mexico, and even if those claims did you couldn't form Mexico once you form UNC, So it might be literally better to just wait for Mexico to fall than to form UNC.

Originally posted by grotaclas:

I have to admit that I didn't know that Shan is formable. I looked at the decision and it doesn't even give you the Shan missions, so it is relatively bad. But Malta is definitely not formable and "Estruscia" doesn't even exist in eu4(do you mean "Etruria"?)

They're not formable by decision, but they are a revolter nation which can "form" in a way, I suppose. Honestly, most revolter nations are pretty bad though.

[Cerocivr]

My vote goes to Ilkhanate. Not because their ideas are the worst, more so that the alternatives are so much better it makes them pointless to form. Ilkhanate has a couple decent ideas but others, like the +1 promoted culture, like, whoop-de-doo.

On top of that generally forming them is just kinda challenging, moreso than it needs to be and is the most limiting of the "Mongol Three" (Golden Horde, Ilkhanate and Yuan). If you have Tatar as your main culture, Golden Horde can be formed quicker and has excellent ideas to conquer everything but also get a great economy. If you have altaic you have literally no reason to not form Yuan because it's legitimately one of the best nations altogether in the entire game.

[MasterYi]

Originally posted by grotaclas:

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Shan, Malta, Estruscia

I have to admit that I didn't know that Shan is formable. I looked at the decision and it doesn't even give you the Shan missions, so it is relatively bad. But Malta is definitely not formable and "Estruscia" doesn't even exist in eu4(do you mean "Etruria"?)

Yep I meant Etruria.

How to form Malta:

https://youtu.be/7Lo6dwQO07Y

I thought of a few more useless nations: Sokoto, Lang Fang and Bukhara

[bri]

Bukhara's not as bad as it used to be...

Netherlands as Burgundy is pretty terrible.

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

How to form Malta:

https://youtu.be/7Lo6dwQO07Y

That's not forming a nation, because you release them as a vassal to play as them. That way you lose all the provinces which don't have a core of that country. If you call that forming a nation, all countries in the game are formable.