Como derrotar a los Otomanos ?!!! (estoy desesperado!!)

[Aramis_ES]

Holaa estoy desesperado, no se si alguien me puede echar una mano. Estoy jugando con Venecia. He conquistado Albania y un montón de territorios alrededor de los Otomanos. Se han cansado de conquistar los pequeños estados que tenía alrededor y ahora viene a por mí. Tengo como aliados a Austria y a Polonia (que tiene como socio menor a Lituania). O sea entre los tres sumamos más o menos 70 000 hombres y los otomanos tienen 45 000.

Pues los cabritos me estan reventando. Pero no entiendo nada. Tengo por ejemplo una batalla donde enfrento casi 40k contra 23k en terreno normal, yo con un general de 2 estrellas y me ha reventado 10k mientras él ha perdido solo 2k....

La única explicación logica que encuentro es la tecnología militar.... Porque yo tengo nivel 5 y él, nivel 6... pero es tan bestia UN SOLO nivel de tecnología!!??

Por favor si alguien sabe porque **** están tan chetados y como los derroto... Porque me da la sensación que aunque traiga el triple de tropas me *****.

No es normal lo de esta faccion....

[grotaclas]

Originally posted by Aramis_ES:

La única explicación logica que encuentro es la tecnología militar.... Porque yo tengo nivel 5 y él, nivel 6... pero es tan bestia UN SOLO nivel de tecnología!!??

Un nivel de tecnologia puede ser muy importante y technologia 6 es una de estas tecnologias

[Marcos_DS]

- Ottoman units are just (a little bit) better than western units in the early years.
- Tech makes a huge difference, esp. in the early wars
- Stars are an indicator how good a general is, but you need to look at the actual pips: Early game, a *** general wih fire 5 shock 0 maneuver 5 siege 4 will loose vs. a puny *-general with just shock 3. Reason is units have no fire pips early game, siege is only important during siege and maneuver to get river crossings, speed and less attrition. All nice, but not important in actual battle.
- They might have janissary special units which get reduced damage and faster drilling on top of all those benefits

That said, venice is in a great position to cut ottomans down to size due to naval superiority. Trap their siege armies on some island and suddenly you only need to deal with half the army (just remember to keep a ship there and siege the other part so he cannot cross back after the siege finishes). But its a hard fight

[Marquoz]

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

But its a hard fight

Not really. This is my last Venice run in 1557:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2505789329

Notice the distinct lack of Ottomans.

How did I beat them? On day 1, I allied Austria and Poland. Then I fabricated a claim on Byzantium and vassalized them. After I built up favors with my allies, I attacked the Ottomans using the Byzantine reconquest CB. A few wars later, I force vassalized the remnant of the Ottomans and used their reconquest CB on the Mamluks, who had taken most of what is now eastern Turkey.

Final result: no Ottomans.

[Marcos_DS]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

But its a hard fight

Not really. This is my last Venice run in 1557:

Thats an impressive speed of conquest for sure, and a sound strategy to keep them from becoming a real nuisance. But the OP was more or less asking why he was getting defeated despite his superior numbers (if google translate is correct). I was trying to offer possible reasons why the ottoman troops were killing him despite his numeric superiority...

[Marquoz]

Not surprising. Ottoman troops are initially superior to western ones. To beat them, you have to:

1) Use terrain well. Defend on hills, mountains, or forest. Attack in plains. Force the Ottomans to cross rivers to get to you. Don't cross rivers to get to them.
2) Use the right generals. You already covered this.
3) Swamp them with more enemy armies than they can handle even with their advantages. This is why I allied both Austria and Poland in my Venice to Italy run.

Combine these 3 tips, and they go down in flames.

[Ned Smelly]

Originally posted by Marquoz:

1) Use terrain well. Defend on hills, mountains, or forest. Attack in plains. Force the Ottomans to cross rivers to get to you. Don't cross rivers to get to them.
2) Use the right generals. You already covered this.
3) Swamp them with more enemy armies than they can handle even with their advantages.

This - you can make up for being behind in tech by making sure the enemy gets a terrain penalty in battles.

And also 4) Attacking an enemy who is sieging your castle - I once defeated stacks and stacks of European powers attacking me in Ayutthaya by only attacking sieging fores on mountain squares. I had Austria, Sweden, Bohemia, Poland France and Britain all sending stacks of 40k+ troops to attack me and I was way behind in MIL tech.

cuando el enemigo asedia tu castillo y tu ejército lo ataca, * tú * eres el defensor en la batalla.
Así que déjelo que inicie un asedio a un castillo en las montañas y luego atáquelo allí.