Personal Unions Breaking?

[Zar]

I'm playing as Castile. I have PU's over Aragon, Portugal and Naples. When my rules dies Naples and Portugal (maybe Aragon) have a chance to break free? I "save scummed" (alt+f4) to go to the beginning of the month and we roll the dice of death again.

Also played a game as Aragon to try and make the Roman Empire. Had a PU over Austria. Next month ticked by and Austria got out of the PU.

Anyone know why the PU's are breaking?

[Sharpie The Dragon]

Do you have positive relations with Aragon/Portugal/Naples? If the opinion is lower than zero, then the personal union will break.

[Zar]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Draggie:

Do you have positive relations with Aragon/Portugal/Naples? If the opinion is lower than zero, then the personal union will break.

WHY IS THAT A THING?!

But thank you that really helps

[Zar]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Draggie:

Do you have positive relations with Aragon/Portugal/Naples? If the opinion is lower than zero, then the personal union will break.

Even with over 100 opinion, Aragon broke it

[gabrielm345]

These things can hapen when your ruler dies and you have bad relations with your PU'S. Try to keep their opinion at least 100+, if you have positive stability and prestige they will never break the union.

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by Zar:

Originally posted by Sharpie The Draggie:

Do you have positive relations with Aragon/Portugal/Naples? If the opinion is lower than zero, then the personal union will break.

Even with over 100 opinion, Aragon broke it

Liberty desire. If it's over 50, there's always a chance they'll break it. If it's over 50 there's also the possibility one of your rivals/enemies "support independence" of them, increasing their liberty desire higher, you'll get a notification for that and their supporter will join them in their independence war.

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Personal_union

Independence

If the senior partner's ruler dies while the junior partner has a negative opinion of its overlord, the junior partner will become an independent nation again and be assigned a new ruler of the same dynasty. The senior partner will get a "Restoration of Union" casus belli. A junior partner can also declare war on their senior partner at any time - even while the nations are in a war together - to gain their independence. If their liberty desire remains low, then they will never declare independence. Once the player has a high enough development and strong enough army versus their personal union subject, they will never declare independence on their own, even at high liberty desire.

Note that Disloyal attitude disloyal or Rebellious attitude rebellious subjects can accept support independence offers from other countries (typically the player's enemies), which will increase their liberty desire significantly and cause them to declare a war for their independence, where the goal is for the attacker to defend its capital.

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by gabrielm345:

These things can hapen when your ruler dies and you have bad relations with your PU'S. Try to keep their opinion at least 100+, if you have positive stability and prestige they will never break the union.

Originally posted by Zar:

Even with over 100 opinion, Aragon broke it

if you have positive stability and prestige they will never break the union.

this is also not true.

[Zar]

Originally posted by gabrielm345:

These things can hapen when your ruler dies and you have bad relations with your PU'S. Try to keep their opinion at least 100+, if you have positive stability and prestige they will never break the union.

I had over 100 opinion with aragon. +1 or 2 stab. my prestige was higher than theirs mine was 75 ish

[Zar]

All my Pu's are -22 or more prestige. relations are +100 or more with the exception of naples. but he rolls the die like everyone else . all liberty desires are 0 except for aragon at +6.

[Sharpie The Dragon]

What patch are you on? Also, can you show us a screenshot of Aragon's diplomatic overview and highlight over the relationship?

[EricB]

Sometimes I've seen a subject in a personal union break it off and there's a war, and sometimes they break it off and there isn't a war. I've been going back and forth between versions 1.30 and 1.31. Is this a change in 1.31? Or is it just sometimes they declare war and sometimes not?

In a recent game they broke it off and I was fine with just letting them go and didn't want to have a war over it. If they declare independence, is there a way to just let them go without a war where I'll likely lose. I'd rather not lose provinces in that case and just let them go their way.

[lokk23]

id say another thing to watch out for is pretender rebels in your junior partner lands. If they enforce demands theyll put their own noble on the throne and break the PU. Naples specifically gets an event that spawns republican rebels, and if they win they change the government to a rupublic which will also break your PU

[Marcos_DS]

Originally posted by lokk23:

id say another thing to watch out for is pretender rebels in your junior partner lands. If they enforce demands theyll put their own noble on the throne and break the PU. Naples specifically gets an event that spawns republican rebels, and if they win they change the government to a rupublic which will also break your PU

Thats something that used to happen a lot to me with the Neaples PU as Castille (earlier patches, when it was still likely to get them with Aragon). Pretender Rebels conquering their capital instantly break the PU - but it seems the OPs PUs broke on death so that can't be it.

Iirc its either liberty desire or negative opinion. Didn't try with recent patches, but a few patches ago you could prevent breaking of PU due to liberty/opinion by going and staying in a war till its fixed.

[Zar]

Originally posted by Sharpie The Draggie:

What patch are you on? Also, can you show us a screenshot of Aragon's diplomatic overview and highlight over the relationship?

how do i post a screenshot

[Zar]

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

Originally posted by lokk23:

id say another thing to watch out for is pretender rebels in your junior partner lands. If they enforce demands theyll put their own noble on the throne and break the PU. Naples specifically gets an event that spawns republican rebels, and if they win they change the government to a rupublic which will also break your PU

Thats something that used to happen a lot to me with the Neaples PU as Castille (earlier patches, when it was still likely to get them with Aragon). Pretender Rebels conquering their capital instantly break the PU - but it seems the OPs PUs broke on death so that can't be it.

Iirc its either liberty desire or negative opinion. Didn't try with recent patches, but a few patches ago you could prevent breaking of PU due to liberty/opinion by going and staying in a war till its fixed.

thats how i formed mughuls as timmy

[Skakk]

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