Can Ottomans change religion?

[LionZ]

I'm sure someone asked this before but I couldn't find it. I'm playing an Ottoman Empire Campaign and I'm wondering is there a way that in the future I can try and change religion.

[Halcyon]

Yes. Religious rebels can force a religion change if they take the capital/enough provinces.

[LionZ]

Hmm, alright thanks. I just let them. Do they destroy your country or something while doing it?

[Halcyon]

They can if you do it wrong. You need to make sure no separatist rebels are going to rise up while they're conquering you and you need to have someplace to send your military so they don't ever get into fights with the religious rebels. In short, let them do as they please but make sure no other rebels or nations take advantage of the situation.

[LionZ]

Thanks mate

[Marcos_DS]

Also, don't let them take/keep your capital unless they already force-converted more than 50% of your provinces (otherwise they will just get autonomy, but no religion change). Also keep in mind, you won't get the ottoman unique government with other religions (so no more best of three heirs)

[LionZ]

Oh I see. Thanks for the tip. For some reason my religious rebels went from 80% to 20%... I didn't suppress them or anything.

[Halcyon]

probably there is no active unrest at the moment. Every month that passes with no active unrest will reduce rebellion progress by 10%

[Marcos_DS]

Originally posted by Ultrix Prime:

Lower put a missionary with 0 maintenance set on a heathen province then wait for it to show zealots at 0 unrest. This usually has to flip from separatists. Then lower autonomy.

Simplest is to do this well in advance after a revolt and wait 10 years for the -100 unrest to go away.

If you put the missionary on a province with separatist unrest over zero it typically stays separatist, which you don't want.

You have to game it a bit.

With Ottomans, its actually far easier: Give one (or more) provinces with the desired religion to the dhinni estate. Wait a year (so you can take it away again), make the dhinni illoyal by taking money, and now remove those states for guaranteed instant religious rebellion (or rebellions for multiple provinces)

[LionZ]

How do you give those to that dhinni ?

[ඞ]

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

Originally posted by Ultrix Prime:

Lower put a missionary with 0 maintenance set on a heathen province then wait for it to show zealots at 0 unrest. This usually has to flip from separatists. Then lower autonomy.

Simplest is to do this well in advance after a revolt and wait 10 years for the -100 unrest to go away.

If you put the missionary on a province with separatist unrest over zero it typically stays separatist, which you don't want.

You have to game it a bit.

With Ottomans, its actually far easier: Give one (or more) provinces with the desired religion to the dhinni estate. Wait a year (so you can take it away again), make the dhinni illoyal by taking money, and now remove those states for guaranteed instant religious rebellion (or rebellions for multiple provinces)

Ｉｌｌｏｙａｌ isnt a word, the correct word is DISloyal

Also, at the beginning of the game ottomans have enough provinces to easily turn orthodox, all you need to do is conquer Byzantium, their vassal Athens, and Albania to have enough Orthodox provinces to accept their demands. Make sure to chose the decision to change your capital to Constantinople, as it increases Development in it but, unfortuinately, it changes the province religion to Sunni, and you'll need the +3% missionary strength from Religious ideas to convert it back.(it still takes about 10 years to convert it btw )

[Marcos_DS]

Originally posted by ７６％ Ｅｄｇｙ， ４９％ Ｍｅｍｅｒ:

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

With Ottomans, its actually far easier: Give one (or more) provinces with the desired religion to the dhinni estate. Wait a year (so you can take it away again), make the dhinni illoyal by taking money, and now remove those states for guaranteed instant religious rebellion (or rebellions for multiple provinces)

Ｉｌｌｏｙａｌ isnt a word, the correct word is DISloyal

In german its illoyal, didn't know the there was a difference (since in- for negation is often used in both english and german, e.g. intolerance / Intoleranz). Anyway, thanks for the info.

[Fellini_Fiend]

It's very easy to do as others have pointed out. I too converted to Coptic to play around with that relgion's new mechanics and it didn't disappoint. The coring cost reduction for Coptics are pretty sweet and using them as the Ottomans makes voting super cheap especially when you're in the late game with a lot of admin efficiency. It's pretty ridiculous by that point.

If you want Coptic to be your religion expand up to Armenia and have a missionary work on a province as soon as you make peace but do not pay any maintenance for the missionary just wait a rebellion to pop out and make you give NOBODY that could possibly take on that army access to your land because they will go and defeat them. Once hey have popped, mothball any nearby forts and wait for them to occupy land which switches the religion in occupied provinces. But make sure to take back those provinces once they have moved on, you cannot allow the rebels to force their demands. Once your capital is occupied then the progress to enforcing their demands is sooner so make sure you take back your capital. And once you have over 50% of your territory converted to that religion you can simply accept demands with the rebels still active. And there you have it.

[ඞ]

Originally posted by Marcos_DS:

Originally posted by ７６％ Ｅｄｇｙ， ４９％ Ｍｅｍｅｒ:

Ｉｌｌｏｙａｌ isnt a word, the correct word is DISloyal

In german its illoyal, didn't know the there was a difference (since in- for negation is often used in both english and german, e.g. intolerance / Intoleranz). Anyway, thanks for the info.

oh, sorry, didnt know that you were natively German. Hope i didnt come off as an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, i was trying to joke. But yeah, English is annoying sometimes*

*All the time

[LionZ]

Originally posted by Fellini_Fiend87:

It's very easy to do as others have pointed out. I too converted to Coptic to play around with that relgion's new mechanics and it didn't disappoint. The coring cost reduction for Coptics are pretty sweet and using them as the Ottomans makes voting super cheap especially when you're in the late game with a lot of admin efficiency. It's pretty ridiculous by that point.

If you want Coptic to be your religion expand up to Armenia and have a missionary work on a province as soon as you make peace but do not pay any maintenance for the missionary just wait a rebellion to pop out and make you give NOBODY that could possibly take on that army access to your land because they will go and defeat them. Once hey have popped, mothball any nearby forts and wait for them to occupy land which switches the religion in occupied provinces. But make sure to take back those provinces once they have moved on, you cannot allow the rebels to force their demands. Once your capital is occupied then the progress to enforcing their demands is sooner so make sure you take back your capital. And once you have over 50% of your territory converted to that religion you can simply accept demands with the rebels still active. And there you have it.

So basically, when they take a province they instantly convert it or what?

[LionZ]

Originally posted by Ultrix Prime:

Originally posted by ７６％ Ｅｄｇｙ， ４９％ Ｍｅｍｅｒ:

oh, sorry, didnt know that you were natively German. Hope i didnt come off as an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, i was trying to joke. But yeah, English is annoying sometimes*

*All the time

Any time I see a misspelled word I figure it's someone for whom English isn't their first language.

That's probably a third or more of the posters here imo.

German and English can be especially "tricky" since they use a lot of common words.