bahmanis is far better then vijayanger

[Jarl Tobi]

out of the two Indian superpowers bahmanis just has it better.
tho having less men they seem to beat vijayanger no matter where even if it 20k vs 30k
the terrain favors them better allso
+ shia is op the bahmanis ai make sure it hires that 5k mercs 100% of the time.
+ as war goes on i yes i am playing vijayanger the bahmanis morale is better
to where the vijayanger soldiers end up entering battle with half morale
end result it just hard to expanded in to northan india as vijayanger couse bahmanis is legit in the way and there no way you can take them on with out going in to debt screwing up the save as vijayanger

[tonypa]

Bahmanis is Shia so this gives +5% Morale of armies. They also get +10% Cavalry combat ability AND +0.5 Yearly army tradition from the start so yes they are usually stronger of two.

Tho Indian continent is more random normally, some nations rise, some get destroyed. I have seen Vijayanagar totally rule over every neighbour and I have seen them disappear and some smaller nation conquer everyone.

[Helios]

90% of my games vijayanger rules just looking at india but i never touch it because i only played europe or ming so far.

[Jarl Tobi]

ok so i didnt know they got +10 cavalry combat and +0.5 yearly army tradition.
add that up with +5 morale of armies it a beast compared to vijayanagar

[Rodi]

You can give clergy/Brahmins a privilege that grants 5% morale of armies when fighting heretics/heathens

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Also Bahmanis starts with the Jafari School which gives +10% Shock Damage.

Vijayanagar starts with +10% Infantry Combat Ability and can get +5% Discipline (and +5% Siege Ability) from a Hindu Deity. Later in the game Vijayanagar gets another +5% Discipline from NIs.

I personally like playing Vijayanagar more:
- Safer position, Bahmanis can easily end up in a two front war if Vijayanagar is allied to Mewar/Malwa or even (depending on Rivalries) Gujarat, Jaunpur, Bengal, Delhi, ...
- Also often easier early alliances with fellow Hindus, Shia Bahmanis has a harder job at getting alliances
- I like Hinduism's flexibility more than (more or less) straightforward Muslim mechanics
- I like Coromandel Node more than Deccan Node as a initial Home Node. With some ships (and Vijayanagar has the Naval Forcelimit) it can easily dominate there and even get a decent amout of Bengal Trade. In addition the number of CoTs in Coromandel (especially after conquering the small nations in Southern India) pull away Trade from Deccan even without owning provinces there.
- Bharat has sweet +5% AdmEff in its NIs, Hindustan may have better military quality but once you formed one of them you won't have to rely on quality (haven't played both in 1.30 so I cannot say much about Hindustan's +10% GovCap)

[Jarl Tobi]

yeah allso i found out playing as vijayanger you want to attack bahmanis at 11 of December
1444 as they have no allys and be in a really rough spot leave it any longer and bahmanis will get allys and have more men so yeah

[Kapika96]

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