Estate statutory rights

[MasterYi]

First time I use this strategy in my current Albania or Iberia campaign. How can I revoke this privilege though? It’s ♥♥♥♥, nobility has 80% influence but their loyalty equilibrium is no where that high.

I granted the Nobility 3 privileges: +1 Mil per month, Strong Duchies and Supremacy over the Crown, whole the 4th and final one is the Estate Statuory Rights.

[Medicles]

Yep, you chose strong duchies too early. There is a reason for why i said that i take it after i removed ESR. Strong duchies gives 10% influence and only 5% loyalty. ESR gives 10% influence without any loyalty and since nobility usually starts with high influence for monarchies, you have to balance it out properly.

Albania is Despotic Monarchy, so i am not 100% sure if they have the same government reforms as feudal monacrhy, but the feudal one has an early reform for -10% nobility influence, which helps greatly with the problem. Though it isnt really needed.

If you are going for 1+ mil point and supremacy over the crown only, you should only have to deal with -5% loyalty from mil point and +10% influence from ESR. So if the original loyalty and influence was around 50%, it should now be 45% loyalty and 60% influence. You can manage this with estate events that increase nobility loyalty or decrease nobility influence or you use one of the trading privileges that give you money but disallow you to trade with a specific good. These privileges have +10% loyalty and no influence. You should have extra space for one privilege, because you shouldnt take strong duchies before you handled ESR.

No biggie, just an easy mistake to make, i did it too when i started to get used to the estates.

Edit: The percentage numbers might not be fully correct here, but i guess you catch my drift. Just be aware that ESR gives you 10% influence that you have to deal with by getting loyalty up by every means. If you want to handle that in your current run, well, that will be tough and you have to rely on random estate events. You have to. No other way around.

[MasterYi]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Yep, you chose strong duchies too early. There is a reason for why i said that i take it after i removed ESR. Strong duchies gives 10% influence and only 5% loyalty. ESR gives 10% influence without any loyalty and since nobility usually starts with high influence for monarchies, you have to balance it out properly.

Albania is Despotic Monarchy, so i am not 100% sure if they have the same government reforms as feudal monacrhy, but the feudal one has an early reform for -10% nobility influence, which helps greatly with the problem. Though it isnt really needed.

If you are going for 1+ mil point and supremacy over the crown only, you should only have to deal with -5% loyalty from mil point and +10% influence from ESR. So if the original loyalty and influence was around 50%, it should now be 45% loyalty and 60% influence. You can manage this with estate events that increase nobility loyalty or decrease nobility influence or you use one of the trading privileges that give you money but disallow you to trade with a specific good. These privileges have +10% loyalty and no influence. You should have extra space for one privilege, because you shouldnt take strong duchies before you handled ESR.

No biggie, just an easy mistake to make, i did it too when i started to get used to the estates.

Edit: The percentage numbers might not be fully correct here, but i guess you catch my drift. Just be aware that ESR gives you 10% influence that you have to deal with by getting loyalty up by every means. If you want to handle that in your current run, well, that will be tough and you have to rely on random estate events. You have to. No other way around.

Yeah I missed the part of only taking Strong Duchies after ESR. I wanted the extra diplo slots for vassals and alliances against the ottomans but the alliances were useless because I had to solo them twice because favours generated too slow and allies were in debt, happened in my Moldavia campaign too.

Do you wait for allies or solo the Ottomans with loans and going over the force limit as a Balkan minor?

To get rid of ESR, can I choose to become a Parliament during the Tier 5 Government Reforms since it gets rid of the nobility? Or should I stop summoning diets which give extra influence?

[Medicles]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Yeah I missed the part of only taking Strong Duchies after ESR. I wanted the extra diplo slots for vassals and alliances against the ottomans but the alliances were useless because I had to solo them twice because favours generated too slow and allies were in debt, happened in my Moldavia campaign too.

Do you wait for allies or solo the Ottomans with loans and going over the force limit as a Balkan minor?

To get rid of ESR, can I choose to become a Parliament during the Tier 5 Government Reforms since it gets rid of the nobility? Or should I stop summoning diets which give extra influence?

I dont have enough experience with Balkan minors to give you good advice, but loans and mercs are always a good idea.

I also dont know if parliament gets rid of it. Never tried this, i adapted myself to getting rid of ESR when its due. I think it could work, but ESR is also mentioned in other estates than nobility on the wiki, so it might as well just switch estates.

You dont really need to summon diets, because the supremacy over the crown privilege gives you the diets events at random for free. You can even get a huge loyalty boost by doing the free one and after that summon the diet for an extra loyalty push. Though, the nobility tasks have often times terrible options, like build a fort, get a vassal or get manpower. You would need to get quite lucky with easy ones like spending mil points in a province or get the relation up with a specific nation.

Interestingly enough, this system made me pay attention to the estate events. I am not just clicking the option with the most green numbers in it, but actually have to consider what is good for my future. Like the ones that sound really terrible at first, like -15% clergy and nobility loyalty with -15% influence for both until you realize that the -15% loyalty does not affect the loyalty equilibrium, but the -15% influence does.

Which means, if you started with 50% loyalty and 50% influence equilibrium, it would now be 50% loyalty and 35% influence equilibrium, but your actual loyalty would be on 35% too, just increases over time to the maximum 50% loyalty equilibrium again.

I hope i explained it somewhat clearly.

[MasterYi]

Originally posted by Medicles:

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Yeah I missed the part of only taking Strong Duchies after ESR. I wanted the extra diplo slots for vassals and alliances against the ottomans but the alliances were useless because I had to solo them twice because favours generated too slow and allies were in debt, happened in my Moldavia campaign too.

Do you wait for allies or solo the Ottomans with loans and going over the force limit as a Balkan minor?

To get rid of ESR, can I choose to become a Parliament during the Tier 5 Government Reforms since it gets rid of the nobility? Or should I stop summoning diets which give extra influence?

I dont have enough experience with Balkan minors to give you good advice, but loans and mercs are always a good idea.

I also dont know if parliament gets rid of it. Never tried this, i adapted myself to getting rid of ESR when its due. I think it could work, but ESR is also mentioned in other estates than nobility on the wiki, so it might as well just switch estates.

You dont really need to summon diets, because the supremacy over the crown privilege gives you the diets events at random for free. You can even get a huge loyalty boost by doing the free one and after that summon the diet for an extra loyalty push. Though, the nobility tasks have often times terrible options, like build a fort, get a vassal or get manpower. You would need to get quite lucky with easy ones like spending mil points in a province or get the relation up with a specific nation.

Interestingly enough, this system made me pay attention to the estate events. I am not just clicking the option with the most green numbers in it, but actually have to consider what is good for my future. Like the ones that sound really terrible at first, like -15% clergy and nobility loyalty with -15% influence for both until you realize that the -15% loyalty does not affect the loyalty equilibrium, but the -15% influence does.

Which means, if you started with 50% loyalty and 50% influence equilibrium, it would now be 50% loyalty and 35% influence equilibrium, but your actual loyalty would be on 35% too, just increases over time to the maximum 50% loyalty equilibrium again.

I hope i explained it somewhat clearly.

Guess I got lucky, summoned the Diet (5% loyalty) and had a mission to improve relations with Muscovy to 100, got 10% loyalty and a half price lv3 advisor, sold titles for another 10% loyalty.
Managed to revoke ESR in 1500.

[Medicles]

Originally posted by MasterYi:

Guess I got lucky, summoned the Diet (5% loyalty) and had a mission to improve relations with Muscovy to 100, got 10% loyalty and a half price lv3 advisor, sold titles for another 10% loyalty.
Managed to revoke ESR in 1500.

Very nice, good job. Next time you can deal with ESR when its due then.