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In the second case, what probably happened is that Styria's cores on those southern provinces expired (cores of a non-existing nation that are of a different culture group than its Primary Culture only last for 50 years, whereas cores in the same culture group last for 150), in which case they would simply not get those provinces when you release them as a vassal, since they are no longer considered cores.
Same culture group, it doesn't have to be the same culture.