Whats the point of Streltsy Infantry?

[Fr3ddy]

I played Russia several times and I never used the streltsy infantry, can anyone tell me whats the difference between this type of infantry and regular infantry?

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

I haven't played Russian nations recently so don't know whether they changed since 1.27.

Streltsy have +10% fire damage compared to normal infantry so quality-wise they are strictly better (though not by much and increased fire damage is more of a mid/lategame thing).

Recruiting Streltsy increases stability cost but does not cost money nor manpower.
So if you are low on manpower/money Streltsy are a good option to raise additional troops.

Especially with Russia's force limit (and, if you want to get crazy, Quantity Ideas) you can easily fill all your infantry needs with units that don't cost manpower to recruit and are better than regular infantry.

With Cradle of Civilization DLC and 60% Army Professionalism you can disband them and get manpower "back" (manpower which you didn't use to recruit them in the first place), allowing you to fill your manpower reserves and keep Professionalism (compared to Slackening).

[Exarch_Alpha]

It´s an anti-Ottoman measure.

[bri]

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

It´s an anti-Ottoman measure.

If you "need" streltsy to beat the Ottomans (especially in the current patch) you need to lrn2russia. Their small bonus isn't worth the admin points you sink into the increased stab costs. The only thing I use them for is to artificially increase troop count on a short term basis such as to complete the mission for the Novgorod claims or deter a counterattack after a manpower draining war.

[ropestring3]

they dont cost money or manpower to raise. fairly simple

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by bri:

Originally posted by Exarch_Alpha:

It´s an anti-Ottoman measure.

If you "need" streltsy to beat the Ottomans (especially in the current patch) you need to lrn2russia. Their small bonus isn't worth the admin points you sink into the increased stab costs. The only thing I use them for is to artificially increase troop count on a short term basis such as to complete the mission for the Novgorod claims or deter a counterattack after a manpower draining war.

...i mean, you could use them to reduce the manpower drain for example...

And no idea how you want to use them for the Novgorod claims if you do that at gamestart...

[bri]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Originally posted by bri:

If you "need" streltsy to beat the Ottomans (especially in the current patch) you need to lrn2russia. Their small bonus isn't worth the admin points you sink into the increased stab costs. The only thing I use them for is to artificially increase troop count on a short term basis such as to complete the mission for the Novgorod claims or deter a counterattack after a manpower draining war.

...i mean, you could use them to reduce the manpower drain for example...

And no idea how you want to use them for the Novgorod claims if you do that at gamestart...

I don't, I hit Kazan first to get the Uralic provinces before they get converted and the gold province and the humiliation for PP and splendor. then the first Novgorod war I take 100 war score worth of provinces to seal off the borders.

[Mr.M]

...you take 100 warscore with provinces WITHOUT taking the claims...?

[Razor Feather]

Strelsey are free instant troops, and unless you need to boost stab, which frankly is a fairly rare occurance in most games, particularly once you get good advisiors rolling, they are strictly better than standard infantry. They may not be too relevant as muscovy, but for the other, weaker russian government type starts, they can be an invaluable way to keep you going in a rough war, between the extra manpower and free WE reduction.

[bri]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

...you take 100 warscore with provinces WITHOUT taking the claims...?

No, I wait until I get the claims to go to war with Novgorod. If you rush the claims and hit them first then you have to "waste" war score for the humiliation if you want to maximize your PP and splendor gains. That also means you can't seal Novgorod off from other nations jumping on their corpse during the truce.

[Marquoz]

Personally, I only use Streltsey as Russia. Stability isn't an issue for me. Between being Orthodox and taking Religious ideas, I get enough stability boosting events that I don't care about the increased stability cost. I pretty much never buy stability as Russia.

[god of being bad at everything]

Question how long does the stability cost increase last?

[LSD]

Originally posted by god of being bad at everything:

Question how long does the stability cost increase last?

Make your own thread. This one's old and only loosely related to what you're asking.
The malus lasts while the regiments exist, and scale based on how many you have recruited.

[general chAOS]

Originally posted by LSD:

Originally posted by god of being bad at everything:

Question how long does the stability cost increase last?

Make your own thread. This one's old and only loosely related to what you're asking.
The malus lasts while the regiments exist, and scale based on how many you have recruited.

Oh we got ourselves a necrohunter

[RCMidas]

The irony, she is writ large upon that statement!

[Wyrtt]

Originally posted by general chAOS:

Originally posted by LSD:

Make your own thread. This one's old and only loosely related to what you're asking.
The malus lasts while the regiments exist, and scale based on how many you have recruited.

Oh we got ourselves a necrohunter

And you are a necrophill?