Are Monastic Orders still stuck to Duke Level?

[Archer the Bowless]

Been a long time since I've played. Was something done with Monastic Order's being stuck at Duke Level? I thought I read somewhere there was a way to get them up to Kingdom Level but I could be wrong.

Also, I know there are holy orders in Iberia now, how are they different from the Monastic Orders like The TeutonIc Order, or a custom created Monastic Order?

I'd like to create a custom Order myself but being stuck at Duke the whole way would be a pain.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

There's a specific government reform somewhere around Tier 4 or 5 that allows you to upgrade your government rank while being a Monastic Order.

Iberian Holy Orders have nothing whatsoever to do with Theocratic government or the Monastic Order reform. It's just an extra mechanic that allows you to give individual states permanent bonuses and some extra dev.

[Archer the Bowless]

Thanks. That sounds like it would take a long while.
And that's just Kingdom Rank right? Not reforming into a Kingdom Government.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Yes, just Kingdom or even Empire government rank. It does not turn you into a monarchy.