Rome, forming italy.

[Psychotic Fury]

Hey guys. I can almost form italy (currently spain via aragon). And just need Arcona and Rome to form it. But the pope is going to need another war to take out (so his relations reset). My question is should i take both plus a couple others (so next war i can full annex) or should i take arcona and leave rome for the second war?

Id obv form italy if i take both first war. Just wondering if it will give me bad events etc while the pope is hanging around?

[CyPunk]

Think I understand your question, but forgive me if I err:

You will get bad events regardless during the time it takes to core Rome, which must be done before forming Italy. Even if you full annex the papal state, it usually/always just re-appears: some minor state in the HRE will give him a province as the new papal state.

Thus: take Rome in first war, core and form Italy, even if the Pope is still around. Spend all your papal point before doing so, as you will lose like -10 a year while occupying...amongst other things (relations hit, etc... but probably you know all that).

[Victrixy]

After you take Rome, you will get a "Occupation of Rome" modifier and a event that ask you to return Rome to Papal State. If you refuse, you will get -10 prestige & -1 Stability, and all Catholic nations gain -20 opinion.

Once you form Italy, the "Occupation of Rome" modifier will disappear. And the -20 opinion should decay fairly quick, since Italy has 50% Improve relations as its tradition.
Also, you should try to become the Curia Controller before completely annexing the Papal State. Because it is not possible for Papal State to reappear if Italy exist, and the Curia Controller will stuck as the last nation for the rest of the game.

[Psychotic Fury]

Thanks guys. I did annex rome and arcona on the first war.

I was waiting to become papal controller again (took a few years, i didnt want to risk curia changing to someone else while i was at war with the pope incase it locked me out of getting it (due to being at war with pope, wasnt sure if that would be the case tho, so i waited).

Thats good news the pope wont pop up again. Was wondering if he would, can he pop back if i form another nation after italy though?

[Victrixy]

Originally posted by Psychotic Fury:

Was wondering if he would, can he pop back if i form another nation after italy though?

Yes, if there is a European theocratic state (beside Teutonic Order and Livonian Order) with 2-4 provinces.

Here is the detail for the trigger conditions: https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Papal_events#The_Papal_State

Most of the theocratic states should be dead or become protestant or reformed by that time.

[Psychotic Fury]

Ah ok thanks. I tried to find something about it, didnt think to look in papal events on the wiki lol

[Psychotic Fury]

Hmm. Im still italy, and was papal controller but then all of a sudden lithuania got it? Theres no pope, howd that happen?