most effective tag switches?

[hengepupper]

i thought about france forming prussia due to the great western land
any other ideas?

[Bird the III]

except for sweden into skandinavia (due to loseing the good events) and accidently leaving the HRE all tag switches are beneficial or at least not harmful (since you can always say no to the new idea sets)

[Fellini_Fiend]

I’d say that Manchu, Yuan, Mughals, Mamluks, Rum, Persia, Byzantium, Great Britain, France, Russia, Spain and even to a lesser extent Golden Horde are other very effective tag switches some for either ideas or missions some of them for both or in the instance for Mamluks, Rum, and Persia (all three require Cradle of Civilization I believe) for their special governments.

[Bird the III]

you missed HRE Commonwealth, japan, bukhara/bhrat, yemen, Maya, malaya, NL, Germany, poland, scotland, england, austria ,egypt, inca , tibet and all colonial ones if you play a colonial nation

[hengepupper]

im talking about the most beneficial tag switches

[Bird the III]

Originally posted by get to work:

im talking about the most beneficial tag switches

if i form austria from an opm ; getting all their claims missions, liberate theire former cores and grab austrian ideas will be way more powerful than france into prussia but for diffrent reasons.

so your question depends on who you start as and your goals

[hengepupper]

hmm

[Fellini_Fiend]

Originally posted by Bird the III:

you missed HRE Commonwealth, japan, bukhara/bhrat, yemen, Maya, malaya, NL, Germany, poland, scotland, england, austria ,egypt, inca , tibet and all colonial ones if you play a colonial nation

Many of these have limited benefits in my opinion compared to the ones I already listed. You list Commonwealth but that's limited to a single tag and mostly requires you to start as Poland or Lithuania to take full advantage of it as they are the most effiecient/simplest way to do it. Now forming Poland is way more benificial, I say that as someone who has formed Poland as Silesia and then went on to form Prussia and Germany immediately after.

I can see some value in forming Scotland but England is probably better. Austria does get you their missions. But some of these you listed are only worth doing just to be a centralized state that has united or at least partially united a region but don't give much else other than that. Bharat is good because of the claims you get and the sweet flag and map color but doesn't give new missions or national ideas, same goes for Germany and more than likely you will already have centralized a large majority of the region to truly benefit from the permanent claims you get from clicking the decision.

I don't see what makes Maya so special I don't remember if they get any special government changes or anything if you're going to list the Maya you might as well list the Inca though I would much rather be the Inca than the Maya because I feel like they can become more of an economic powerhouse than the Maya. I don't see anything special about forming Tibet or Egypt unless I'm missing something and the only colonial nations that are actually good are those that get new ideas/special government like United States which has some pretty good ideas; other than that the only good stuff that comes with it is that you should definitely do it to get permanent claims on particular regions in that part of the world that way you don't necessarily have to colonize it all yourself and you can easily take it away from colonial nations others create.

[Bird the III]

Originally posted by Fellini_Fiend87:

Originally posted by Bird the III:

you missed HRE Commonwealth, japan, bukhara/bhrat, yemen, Maya, malaya, NL, Germany, poland, scotland, england, austria ,egypt, inca , tibet and all colonial ones if you play a colonial nation

Many of these have limited benefits in my opinion compared to the ones I already listed. You list Commonwealth but that's limited to a single tag and mostly requires you to start as Poland or Lithuania to take full advantage of it as they are the most effiecient/simplest way to do it. Now forming Poland is way more benificial, I say that as someone who has formed Poland as Silesia and then went on to form Prussia and Germany immediately after.

I can see some value in forming Scotland but England is probably better. Austria does get you their missions. But some of these you listed are only worth doing just to be a centralized state that has united or at least partially united a region but don't give much else other than that. Bharat is good because of the claims you get and the sweet flag and map color but doesn't give new missions or national ideas, same goes for Germany and more than likely you will already have centralized a large majority of the region to truly benefit from the permanent claims you get from clicking the decision.

I don't see what makes Maya so special I don't remember if they get any special government changes or anything if you're going to list the Maya you might as well list the Inca though I would much rather be the Inca than the Maya because I feel like they can become more of an economic powerhouse than the Maya. I don't see anything special about forming Tibet or Egypt unless I'm missing something and the only colonial nations that are actually good are those that get new ideas/special government like United States which has some pretty good ideas; other than that the only good stuff that comes with it is that you should definitely do it to get permanent claims on particular regions in that part of the world that way you don't necessarily have to colonize it all yourself and you can easily take it away from colonial nations others create.

commonwealth :so just because its available to just 1 country doesn't make it a bad tag switch its still inherite a ~200 dev country for free

again i depends who you start as Bundelkand with Vindhyan ideas changeing to tibet first is a good thing (far better ideas and a few permanent claims) you can still go for bharat afterwards for even more claims .

same for maya look at theire ideas and than at Tapuian if you settle way up theire a change makes a lot of sense (also free claims and a op religion).
also inca was on my list but in my opinion maya has better ideas than inca and a better religion as well

a better tag is a more effective tag and free claims are always nice if missions are a boni than thats awesome

[FRITZ HABER]

only 1, italy. 25% core creation cost + 50% improving relation. damn thats fcking op

[Fellini_Fiend]

Originally posted by Bird the III:

commonwealth :so just because its available to just 1 country doesn't make it a bad tag switch its still inherite a ~200 dev country for free

again i depends who you start as Bundelkand with Vindhyan ideas changeing to tibet first is a good thing (far better ideas and a few permanent claims) you can still go for bharat afterwards for even more claims .

same for maya look at theire ideas and than at Tapuian if you settle way up theire a change makes a lot of sense (also free claims and a op religion).
also inca was on my list but in my opinion maya has better ideas than inca and a better religion as well

a better tag is a more effective tag and free claims are always nice if missions are a boni than thats awesome

That's true it is absolutely the thing you want to do as Poland or as Lithuania because it instantly doubles your development at the very least so yeah I'm not trying to take away from that because that's a lot of value to me I didn't mention it initially because like I didn't give any special government, missions, national ideas, or permanent claims but getting that region entirely centralized is very much valuable. I'll have to check out Maya, I know the religion is pretty good even if it takes forever to go through all the reforms and then finally waiting for a colonizer to border you but that's the same with all the other natives in the Americas. I've played as Aztec and Inca and even tried out the fairly over powered Nahuatl Caddo technique and those are all pretty good stuff it's just real tedious and boring until you eventually can get going when the colonizers arrive.

[luckymarine]

Most beneficial? Well that's relative to what you want out of the game, forming Mughals will give you claims on the entirety of India which is a -10% discount to the coring cost of every single province and lowers local autonomy by -10%, as admin points are uber important and more money is always nice it's fairly beneficial.