Sikh Punjabi vs Hindu Punjabi

[Mr.M]

Thoughts? Feels like Hindu Punjabi is 10x better:

1. WAY better estates (Rajput and Nobility hate each other, the other estate is better than Clergy)

2. Its quite hard to convert everything.

3. Unstable Realm due to being hard to convert in time.

4. Sikh has sick standard bonuses but they lose Hindu Deity system
(Okay forgot the random Sikh bonus, is still worse in comparison)

Overall i regret turning Sikh. Once and never again

[Mr.M]

And Rajput want Hindu Provinces!?!?!?!

You serious!?!?!

Question answered, Dicussion closed - Sikh SUCKS.

[Stayin Alive]

I think you could make a point for sikhism if you take a republican governemnt or the monarchists vs the statis reform since the best part of hindu is the extra ruler points (not really the dieties since sikh gives you random bonus too). Also late game, especially with the relgious conversion, building an army of your specal regiments is pretty hard so i think sikh is actually a viable alternative

[Mr.M]

Yes, random bonus, forgot em - still worse than deities tho since you cant choose the bonus yourself.

Even without taking the special regiments into acount, you lose the new estate that gives +33% production AND whenever you favor the nobles the Rajs get angry (which fortunately isnt a big deal, but still)

And as said, unless you picked Humanist as one of your first 3 ideas you are quite ♥♥♥♥♥♥ if you turn Sikh.

[Stayin Alive]

yes, the random bonus are worse than the diety, but arent nothing (except the negative ones...)

and you keep the 33 production i think..., i insaconveted back to hindu so im only slightly sure. and the rajs can be angry if they dont have influence.

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Finn:

yes, the random bonus are worse than the diety, but arent nothing (except the negative ones...)

and you keep the 33 production i think..., i insaconveted back to hindu so im only slightly sure. and the rajs can be angry if they dont have influence.

If you choose the +15 loyalty + 10 influence option for nobility, Rajs gets -15 loyalty.

If you choose +15 loyalty + 10 influence for Rajs, nobility gets -15 nobility.

And i wont be playing this save anymore but it looks like its the same for some, if not all events.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1509616326

And with the +33 prod i mean the new "Vaishyas" estate. If they are loyal they give this much prod, -20% development cost AND +20% trade value in provinces you gave em.

[Stayin Alive]

bacailly you discard the rajs if you go sihk,
if you are playing as punjabi your some missions involve going sihk and you also get better govenrment reforms too (tottally worth the 20 corruption..)


im not saying its better, i feel it is comparible thouhg

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Finn:

bacailly you discard the rajs if you go sihk,
if you are playing as punjabi your some missions involve going sihk and you also get better govenrment reforms too (tottally worth the 20 corruption..)


im not saying its better, i feel it is comparible thouhg

When does Sikh usually spawn?

Picking Religious early and going Sikh asap COULD be interesting - else switching Sikh just to form Punjabi (was Sirhind with generic idea set) and then back to Hindu feels better.

It took me a while to notice that Sikh spawned in another nation

[Fellini_Fiend]

I went Sikh as Sirhind to form Punjab and I definitely did not regret that decision. Do you realize the morale bonus you get from being Sikh as well? I went Defensive as well and had other things give me more morale to the point I had the beat morale in the whole world. And I also went Humanist obviously which I was going to do whether I was Hindu or Sikh anyway because it’s just great overall and almost have no need to convert anything. Also I think Sikh provinces still allow you to give those provinces over to the Rajputs so you c am still very much use those new estate mechanics. Other than them and the Jains estate you don’t get the other Dharmic related estates unfortunately.

Also as someone pointed out there are missions that require you to be Sikh in order to do them. By the time I eventually conquered all of India I was sitting on a very large income base even while having high level forts all over the place and while I didn’t have the largest army in the world mine were probably the highest quality around.

I had a good time with my first play through as a Sikh nation, it is unfortunate however that there were no added flavor events to the religion considering they’re also a Dharmic religion instead it’s the same event you get every decade or two that simply just changes the bonus you get for a time.

Also I went with the special reforms that you can get with them (unfortunately I had to pick a different early government reform once I tag switched and changed religion which meant I took a 10 corruption hit but over time it was the correct choice) and eventually later on I chose to take the reform that unlocked statists vs monarchists mechanics the Dutch Republic government has with the one upside compared to the Dutch government in not having an Absolutism penalty. It was a lot of fun playing around with the mechanics for that government. I can see myself going that route time and time again because that has always been one of my favorite governments to play with.

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Fellini_Fiend87:

I went Sikh as Sirhind to form Punjab and I definitely did not regret that decision. Do you realize the morale bonus you get from being Sikh as well?

Hindu gets +5% discipline

Originally posted by Fellini_Fiend87:

Also I think Sikh provinces still allow you to give those provinces over to the Rajputs so you c am still very much use those new estate mechanics.

100% cant give sikh provinces to Rajs, so if you want a unified sikh nation with one faith you cant use Rajs.

The special reforms are okayish. It MIGHT overall be interesting going Sikh if you do it asap, the longer you play the more it sucks tho.

[Stayin Alive]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

100% cant give sikh provinces to Rajs, so if you want a unified sikh nation with one faith you cant use Rajs.

If your doing one faith, odds are youre army is not composed mainly of Rajs,
was wrong here...

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Finn:

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

100% cant give sikh provinces to Rajs, so if you want a unified sikh nation with one faith you cant use Rajs.

If your doing one faith, odds are youre army is not composed mainly of Rajs

Your NATION one faith.

Aka a sikh India.

[Stayin Alive]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Originally posted by Finn:

If your doing one faith, odds are youre army is not composed mainly of Rajs

Your NATION one faith.

Aka a sikh India.

yes, but isnt everygame some sort of attempt at world conquest...

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Finn:

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Your NATION one faith.

Aka a sikh India.

yes, but isnt everygame some sort of attempt at world conquest...

No...?

Orissa > Hindustan > Jagganat achievo, for an instance. If you dont take Humanist you cant have Rajs.

[Stayin Alive]

we are talking about punjabi thouhg

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Finn:

we are talking about punjabi thouhg

ANY northern indian nation can have Rajs.

Or rather, i am pretty sure its culture locked to northern India. Therefore pick any indian nation, switch culture and tadaa you get Rajs.

Could even form Punjabi as any indian nation.