imperial authority gain broken

[Xyrzhal]

Hi,
is it meant to be, that u now dont get imperial authority at all for princes joining the HRE or converting to the true faith? i understand, that it was a overpowered with 1.3, but now it seems off as well.

[Xyrzhal]

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[Medicles]

You get 10 IA for forcing nations into the empire with the expand empire cb. You also get 10 IA when you consecutively get elected as emperor. As far as i know, these are the only mechanics to get an IA boost.

[Marquoz]

Yup. The Empire is all about getting the highest possible monthly tick rate now. Always have 12 Free Cities. Make sure the number of princes remains large by releasing nations in war after war. Crush the Reformation the moment it happens.

If you do all this, you can still revoke in the mid to late 1500's, no problem.

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Medicles:

You get 10 IA for forcing nations into the empire with the expand empire cb. You also get 10 IA when you consecutively get elected as emperor. As far as i know, these are the only mechanics to get an IA boost.

...suppose that new cb is DLC only? ;p

Since its now easier to avoid shadow kingdom and there are much more nations in the HRE its still decently fast to get reforms - tho still slower than before.

[Simca]

The IA gain from expanding the empire with the CB is based on the development of the added provinces. When I forced Denmark to join, I gained 32 IA off it.

I don't really understand the circumstances required for that CB though. For a few countries, I was constantly getting a message that I lost the CB and then that I gained it again. Maybe they have to be at peace or something?

[Xyrzhal]

wait, u can force every nation regardless how big to join the empire?

[Medicles]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Originally posted by Medicles:

You get 10 IA for forcing nations into the empire with the expand empire cb. You also get 10 IA when you consecutively get elected as emperor. As far as i know, these are the only mechanics to get an IA boost.

...suppose that new cb is DLC only? ;p

Since its now easier to avoid shadow kingdom and there are much more nations in the HRE its still decently fast to get reforms - tho still slower than before.

Apparently it is and i dont understand this decision at all.

Originally posted by Simca:

The IA gain from expanding the empire with the CB is based on the development of the added provinces. When I forced Denmark to join, I gained 32 IA off it.

I don't really understand the circumstances required for that CB though. For a few countries, I was constantly getting a message that I lost the CB and then that I gained it again. Maybe they have to be at peace or something?

Seriously? I was only able to use the cb on small nations, since i had the big ones already under control.

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Xyrzhal:

wait, u can force every nation regardless how big to join the empire?

Theres most likely a dev limit on similar to subjugation. Cant check tho since i dont have the DLC.

[Simca]

Yeah, like I said, I don't understand the circumstances required for the CB. I kept losing and regaining the CB for Expand the Empire on The Papal State. I was playing as Burgundy, and they controlled their original lands + Naples' lands + Provence's lands. Because of this, the two halves of their land weren't connected, and I was adjacent to the part of their kingdom that didn't have the capital. Maybe I was gaining and losing the CB as different provinces in Northern Italy changed hands, establishing other routes from the the Empire to their capital. That's my best guess.

Denmark and that 32 IA gain was right after they'd inherited Norway (and they had a bit of the two Orders/Riga as well). I happened to pause the game right when I gained the CB (I don't know why; it's not like I bordered them suddenly), and I just declared war instantly, based on my previous experiences with the CB and The Papal State. I also used it on the Commonwealth (although this was a seriously reduced in size Commonwealth, a little less than 1/3rd of its original size).

The alternative explanation is that there's some crazy calculation in play like... Expand the Empire CB limit being a percentage of the total development of the entire Empire (or the Emperor's?), so the reason I was gaining and losing the CB at random was because of their provinces or the empire's provinces gaining development.

[Medicles]

Its quite a complicated matter, since there doesnt seem to be an official explanation to what a valid target is. Right now i have found an answer stating: "As far as I know the limitation was put into place because you could get the cb against countries with more than 100% war score and then couldn’t enforce demands. So the limit is they need to be under 100 dev so you can’t add any nations bigger than normal."

But that doesnt really explain Denmark, since they should be over 100% warscore already in original form. Infact, if i recall correctly, i was only able to get the cb on them when they were half eaten by Sweden and i didnt got the cb on Sweden, even so they were bordering HRE provinces.

[Simca]

The objective did require 99% WS for Denmark when I took it. It was also very late into the game.

It also didn't actually work on all their provinces because about half of them were cut off by Sweden, so there wasn't a direct land connection. Those provinces did not join the HRE when the war ended, but their main provinces including their capital did.

Edit: I found a screenshot that I linked to a friend that includes most of Europe around that time (including the Papal State and Commonwealth and Lithuania, who I all forced to join too): https://i.imgur.com/ufLmFzm.jpg
They had a little bit more too, above Sweden (some more Norway provinces) and a bit more above Russia. None of that stuff joined the HRE.

So, I'd say it's about the same as what they start with (just in different places), and the development is certainly got to be well over 100, especially in 1752, where the European provinces individually are pretty much all in the double digits.

[Mr.M]

Lol just noticed the pretty insane Brandenburg ideas;

Imagine getting positive IA with 22 heretic princes xD (even without Empire being at peace it would still be positive)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2166494357

Prussia? Who needs that...