Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

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Drevin Jul 11, 2020 @ 1:40am
Can I buy Ceuta from Portugal?
Playing as Castile, I've started a war with Morocco to see if I can do it, and if I can annex the provinces on the coast, which belong to the Seville trade node. But I kinda hate seeing Portugal's Ceuta in the middle of my conquest zone, and I'm curious if I could somehow get it from them diplomatically. I'm new, so I'd rather stay out of european conflicts and have Portugal as an ally. Also, just curious, if I get some moroccan provinces in the end, will Portugal resent me for that and cause me problems later, because they would want them too?

Thank you.
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tonypa Jul 11, 2020 @ 1:55am 
No, AI almost never offers to sell off their provinces. In theory it could happen, it is just very rare and requires them to be completely broke. There is no possible action of "I want to buy your land".

They could hate you for taking same land, but you are Castile, you should be bigger and stronger so why care. Also Portugal rarely gets any allies, and eventually you should be go on and just conquer them.
Keaton Jul 11, 2020 @ 7:22am 
The mission tree does give you the option to form a Personal Union with Portugal.
When (if) you got that route, you can take Ceuta and form a personal union in the War.

Their allies often are England, Papal States or Brittany, though most often I see them only have Castille because they give up their alliance with England with the many wars they are pulled in. Portugal pretty much stays out of the entire European conflict because it is at border of the continent.

You could always release it afterwards.
Last edited by Keaton; Jul 11, 2020 @ 7:28am
Drevin Jul 11, 2020 @ 8:58am 
Alright. Thank you.
Antiquarianus Jul 11, 2020 @ 1:40pm 
I recently had a country offer to sell a province to me--only time it has happened to me. I was Arabia (from Mamaluks) and my march was Dulkadir. Dulkadir had fabricated claims on AQ, which was pretty weak, and I fabricated on Hisn Kaifa, which was AQ land at this point. Almost immediately AQ offered to sell Hisn Kaifa to me. I don't recall if they were in debt. I just figured they were scared of me and didn't want me to beat them up.
Kapika96 Jul 11, 2020 @ 3:57pm 
Yes. Firstly you'd need a claim on it. Secondly Portugal would need to be MASSIVELY in debt. Thirdly you'd need to get very lucky.

So it's very unlikely, but it can happen.
Tasty Bunny Jul 11, 2020 @ 4:41pm 
If AI ruler has embezzler personality, they sell province fairly often if they go into dept
Drevin Jul 12, 2020 @ 3:41am 
Well, as an update, yesterday on my most recent try at Castile I got 3 provinces from Morocco to the west of Ceuta on the first war, then I forged claims on 2 to the east of Ceuta before declaring on the second war. And the bloody portuguese started a separate war with Morocco exactly when I finished sieging Fes, and they quickly occupied the closest tile next to Ceuta (which was my intended war goal). So basically I lost to Portugal one of my tiles of interest, which makes me angry at them. So screw diplomacy, I'll try to fight Portugal today, and at least get Ceuta and the other moroccan tile from them.
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Date Posted: Jul 11, 2020 @ 1:40am
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