The Complete Price of the Game

[of Anwyl]

Personally I don't care about either side of the issue here, you are perfectly free to vote with your wallet. I am just going to say that the complete price of the game, with every single dlc that adds gameplay (not just the major ones) without any discounts and including the base game is $224.87.



For comparisons sake the complete base price of the base game and all dlcs affecting gameplay of the popular game Civilization V is $149.34.

[SirSanjiSlacks]

Originally posted by Adventurer_Blitz:

Personally I don't care about either side of the issue here, you are perfectly free to vote with your wallet. I am just going to say that the complete price of the game, with every single dlc that adds gameplay (not just the major ones) without any discounts and including the base game is $224.87.



For comparisons sake the complete base price of the base game and all dlcs affecting gameplay of the popular game Civilization V is $149.34.

Civ V with all DLC (for a similar game made at the same time) has been on sale with ALL DLC with base game for $20.
Let that sink in.
20 DOLLARS

[♠.brT]

Originally posted by Co'Rev:

Civ V with all DLC (for a similar game made at the same time) has been on sale with ALL DLC with base game for $20.
Let that sink in.
20 DOLLARS

Ignoring for a second the fact that those are completely different games (yes they are, EUIV is a grand strategy game, Civ5 is a turn base strategy game, it would be more accurate to compare the begining of a game like stellaris to civ than euiv to civ) but regardless.

So let's shine a light on your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ comparison.
The last update of civ5 was in 2014 and it was just a balance patch with minor exploit fixes.
and that game is stil ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ broken, try playing that game in the marathon time scale, you will notice how broken the game gets because it was never designed to be played on anything above standard, but whatever right, it cost 20 dollars so we should expect the developers to stop giving a ♥♥♥♥ about that game after a few years, they moved on to a newer game. (which you are completely ignoring of course)

EUIV on other hand continues to receive updates every month, from balance patches to actual pieces of content being released not only for free, but also in the form of paid content that is the reason why the continuous development of EUIV exist in the first place.
oh and did I say how the patches are completely 100% OPTIONAL? yeah if you don't like the patches and the free content or even the paid content YOU CAN OPT OUT, and prevent steam from installing new updates, so if you are happy with whatever version of the game, you can just keep the game on that version and stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about new dlc.

So tell me again how your comparison is somehow valid?

[SirSanjiSlacks]

Originally posted by ♠.brT:

Originally posted by Co'Rev:

Civ V with all DLC (for a similar game made at the same time) has been on sale with ALL DLC with base game for $20.
Let that sink in.
20 DOLLARS

Ignoring for a second the fact that those are completely different games (yes they are, EUIV is a grand strategy game, Civ5 is a turn base strategy game, it would be more accurate to compare the begining of a game like stellaris to civ than euiv to civ) but regardless.

So let's shine a light on your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ comparison.
The last update of civ5 was in 2014 and it was just a balance patch with minor exploit fixes.
and that game is stil ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ broken, try playing that game in the marathon time scale, you will notice how broken the game gets because it was never designed to be played on anything above standard, but whatever right, it cost 20 dollars so we should expect the developers to stop giving a ♥♥♥♥ about that game after a few years, they moved on to a newer game. (which you are completely ignoring of course)

EUIV on other hand continues to receive updates every month, from balance patches to actual pieces of content being released not only for free, but also in the form of paid content that is the reason why the continuous development of EUIV exist in the first place.
oh and did I say how the patches are completely 100% OPTIONAL? yeah if you don't like the patches and the free content or even the paid content YOU CAN OPT OUT, and prevent steam from installing new updates, so if you are happy with whatever version of the game, you can just keep the game on that version and stop ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about new dlc.

So tell me again how your comparison is somehow valid?

Civ5 was updated to the point in which they began creating other games, and in its entirety, Civ V was arguably the best game in the series with all DLC included, being one of the best games of all time, alongside its predesesor, Civ4.
(they stopped when they started making beyond earth, and then stopped with that after its failure, and began Civ 6, another great game which, will likely be amazing after all of its DLC is out).

Civ and Eu/Ck/Stel/HOI are argueably the exact same in this regard, without DLC, they are fairly unplayable for any prolonged period of time. Civ decided to make a couple of major expansions which all added FAR MORE CONTENT than their pricepoint, especially Brave New World, and the game after such, with updates was entirely playable on its given normal speed, and even the lengthier versions, except marathon. They then moved onto other games, which though it wasn't required, worked out in the end.

PDX decided to continue adding content to eu4 and updating it, however the content added at its price point never go to the same price per value as Civ's BNW, and they've been consistently getting worse, taking out content to release in a DLC, or simply showing things, like ages, then, due to a paywall, forcing the player to be shown a concept they are unable to interact with, for no given reason. (PDX profits about 20-50 million per quarter...)

[♠.brT]

EUIV is not unplayable without DLCs, it is completely functional, meaning that it delievers everything that it promised, you can play with any country between 1444 and 1820.

Please provide specific reasons why you believe that EUIV is not playable without DLCs.

Again you are comparing completely different games when it comes to value of the content, and that is very much a subjective topic because value for the content can be different from person to person. I'd say that i more than got my moneys worth of the content that was added to the dlc.
Also i find it quite funny how in one hand you say that the dlcs in euiv are required to play, yet on the other hand you claim that they don't add much...wtf mate? . but again not a single dlc in EUIV is required to play.

Also you claim that PDX, removed content from the game and then later added to the game through paid DLC.

Please provide a clear example of where this was done in EUIV.

I don't get it the other complaint you made about pdx showing features to the player that they can't use, especially when those features ARE NOT REQUIRED IN ANY FREAKING WAY They are there to provide something extra, you know for those who have already spent hundreds or maybe thousands of hours into euiv but they still want more content..

Again, every single one of those complaints can be solved by simply preventing the game from updating, no more dlcs/patches for you, enjoy it.

[sheeepie2]

Not so long ago I got Civ 5 + every single DLC for under £10 in a steam sale, yet even in the best EUIV sales I wouldn't pay for 1 DLC, nevermind all of them. DLCs for EUIV seem to add great features (most of which are necessary and should be in the base game) for obscene prices. A good example is the ability to give occupation of an enemy province to an ally during a war in the Art of War DLC. That is such a necessary mechanic but I'm not paying £16 just for that. Paradox are having a laugh.

[♠.brT]

Originally posted by Sheepie:

Not so long ago I got Civ 5 + every single DLC for under £10 in a steam sale, yet even in the best EUIV sales I wouldn't pay for 1 DLC, nevermind all of them. DLCs for EUIV seem to add great features (most of which are necessary and should be in the base game) for obscene prices. A good example is the ability to give occupation of an enemy province to an ally during a war in the Art of War DLC. That is such a necessary mechanic but I'm not paying £16 just for that. Paradox are having a laugh.

The transfer of occupation is not a necessary feature, it is a nice feature to have, but hardly necessary, you can play the game just fine without it.

Please explain why this feature is necessary in your opinion.

And since you said that dlcs of EUIV add stuff that are necessary to play the game, please name other features included in the DLCs that are necessary to play the game, as well as to WHY you think this features are necessary.

[cbk123]

I have both games and played both. civ 5 for 300 hours and eu4 for 1200 hours thats $0.5 (149.34. / 300 = 0.5) for civ and $0.18 ( 224.87. / 1200 =0.18) for eu4 looks like eu4 was the better buy..

[Lord Kraken]

What CBK123 said. I have most of the DLC for EU4 (not 3rd Rome) and all for Civ5. 2000+ hours on EU4 and a few hundred on Civ5. EU4 gives both more bang for the buck long term and more enjoyment. I have no interest in going back to Civ5, but played EU4 today (and will tomorrow). But to each his own.