Europa Universalis IV

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What is happening? Why game get's disliked about dlc's?
someone can explain?
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AdahnGorion Jun 17, 2017 @ 8:24pm 
Originally posted by Co'Rev:
Originally posted by Darkie:

You actually claimed you were falsly banned for a minor bug... We both know that is not the truth. Anyone that debate is mot, because you are VAC banned and thus a cheater.

EU4 is prefectly playable without any of those DLC's if you don't update to the free features. You are not forced to update/patch your game and can revert to any version you like and even with the newest version the game still works perfectly fine without those DLC's.. Will you gain a more complete game with the DLC's ? yes.. That I do agree on.. But its pretty cheap compared to buying 3 AC games with all their DLC's (thats still much less content and patches and also much much less potential gameplay)

Again its your choice to buy or not buy. But if you don't understand the concept they are doing why do you buy the games ? the answer is that the games are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ good and you can't live without it
Go read again.
"1) You have no evidence I did anything. My profile states how and why I got a VAC. If you can't take 5 seconds to read a damn bio, thats not my fault AND, it DOESN'T invalidate an opinion ."
You can't even read. Please leave the forums and play more "eu4" on your private account. If you even own it.
Also It's not perfectly playable. The game is stagnant without common sense, extremely hard to manuever armies without Art of War and again stagnant without Rights of Man.
I would prefer a AAA game over 2 EU4 DLC's that add 4 concepts (nothing more than mere concepts) and a couple of quality of life changes.

Just stop.. Your VAC ban does not show why you got banned (what you read means nothing) Your VAC ban tells us you broke the rules on a VAC secure server (cheated/manipulated game files) that is all that it says and nothing else. So lets stop the debate about that! accept you are a cheater and move on.

If you rather have a AAA title (a stupid termology since it does not always suits the game its labeled on) why do you buy EU4 and the DLC's ?? why not just buy the other game and play that for 10 hours ??

Again you can always, at any point even if you bough EU4 now, revert back to another version, but the game still works fine without the DLC's. I have a few friends that didnt buy all DLC's and they play the game just fine.
AdahnGorion Jun 17, 2017 @ 8:28pm 
Originally posted by Co'Rev:
Originally posted by Darkie:

I've traded many times with my private profile. But I almost never trade, I instead use the marked and yes I don't care about the minor fee... If I was angry about pennies that fee's/games cost then I would not be playing in the first place, since this is a luxury good.
And theres the one argument made by the fanboys for the price change
"its a luxury good"
Which is NOT an argument, its an irrelevant statement.

Thats a fact.

Games, PC's for the sake are not essential for living. Games are merely entertainment and thus luxury goods. So its not irrelevant, its simple truth. If you can't fork out 60 euro now and then for games, then I dare say you have more pressing concerns than playing games on your PC..

If we do look at price // hours of entertainment, then EU4 most certainly most be one of the most value for cash kinda games.
SirSanjiSlacks Jun 17, 2017 @ 8:31pm 
Originally posted by Darkie:
Originally posted by Co'Rev:
Go read again.
"1) You have no evidence I did anything. My profile states how and why I got a VAC. If you can't take 5 seconds to read a damn bio, thats not my fault AND, it DOESN'T invalidate an opinion ."
You can't even read. Please leave the forums and play more "eu4" on your private account. If you even own it.
Also It's not perfectly playable. The game is stagnant without common sense, extremely hard to manuever armies without Art of War and again stagnant without Rights of Man.
I would prefer a AAA game over 2 EU4 DLC's that add 4 concepts (nothing more than mere concepts) and a couple of quality of life changes.

Just stop.. Your VAC ban does not show why you got banned (what you read means nothing) Your VAC ban tells us you broke the rules on a VAC secure server (cheated/manipulated game files) that is all that it says and nothing else. So lets stop the debate about that! accept you are a cheater and move on.

If you rather have a AAA title (a stupid termology since it does not always suits the game its labeled on) why do you buy EU4 and the DLC's ?? why not just buy the other game and play that for 10 hours ??

Again you can always, at any point even if you bough EU4 now, revert back to another version, but the game still works fine without the DLC's. I have a few friends that didnt buy all DLC's and they play the game just fine.
1) As I've shown VAC only shows somebody changed something on a secured server, and doesn't state if that action is even bad. A Field of View changer (your viewmodel sizing) can get you banned in numerous games, despite being included in later COD's and professional leagues stating the mod is OK to USE. You're just unknowledgeable on this subject.
2) I'd rather buy Witcher 3, GTA V, Civ VI, or any other new good AAA game than 2 DLC for Eu4. I wouldn't buy EU4 base for 52$ cdn either. It's a 30$ game base, 50$ with all required DLC.
And it doesn't work "Fine" without DLC. It's a semi-decent game without DLC, basically base 4.5/10
8/10 With required DLC.
9/10 with all DLC, since some are poorly implemented (faction system) and others add basically no content
SirSanjiSlacks Jun 17, 2017 @ 8:34pm 
Originally posted by Darkie:
Originally posted by Co'Rev:
And theres the one argument made by the fanboys for the price change
"its a luxury good"
Which is NOT an argument, its an irrelevant statement.

Thats a fact.

Games, PC's for the sake are not essential for living. Games are merely entertainment and thus luxury goods. So its not irrelevant, its simple truth. If you can't fork out 60 euro now and then for games, then I dare say you have more pressing concerns than playing games on your PC..

If we do look at price // hours of entertainment, then EU4 most certainly most be one of the most value for cash kinda games.

Thats a fact.

Yes it is. It's not an argument. It's a fact, and an irrelevant one at that.
If you bought a constant comedity, lets say oil at a given price "x", and for no reason whatsoever, the price of "x" is doubled to "2x" then you, and about 90% of other consumers would be extremely furious about the price hike, especially if you either have to constantly by oil, or if oil "Extras" are purchased based off of the new "2x" rather than "x".
The thing is, if you bought Eu4 NOW you would not be happy with either the pricing, or the game BASE without DLC, nor would ANYONE fork out 280$ or more for the entire game.
this is why pirating of Eu4 is likely to rise
SirSanjiSlacks Jun 17, 2017 @ 8:36pm 
Originally posted by Darkie:
Originally posted by Co'Rev:
And theres the one argument made by the fanboys for the price change
"its a luxury good"
Which is NOT an argument, its an irrelevant statement.

Thats a fact.

Games, PC's for the sake are not essential for living. Games are merely entertainment and thus luxury goods. So its not irrelevant, its simple truth. If you can't fork out 60 euro now and then for games, then I dare say you have more pressing concerns than playing games on your PC..

If we do look at price // hours of entertainment, then EU4 most certainly most be one of the most value for cash kinda games.
Still waiting for you to unprivate your profile.
A profile thats privated which doesn't show steam level, games, hours, or inventory is far worse than someone with a 5 year old Vac, or even a 10 day old VAC.
At least the public profile PROVES their actual time in game, and experiance, your claims are baseless, unless you'd care to show your profile isn't fake.
Since you don't want to, you sure seem like a typical forum troll.
AdahnGorion Jun 17, 2017 @ 8:46pm 
Originally posted by Co'Rev:
Originally posted by Darkie:

Just stop.. Your VAC ban does not show why you got banned (what you read means nothing) Your VAC ban tells us you broke the rules on a VAC secure server (cheated/manipulated game files) that is all that it says and nothing else. So lets stop the debate about that! accept you are a cheater and move on.

If you rather have a AAA title (a stupid termology since it does not always suits the game its labeled on) why do you buy EU4 and the DLC's ?? why not just buy the other game and play that for 10 hours ??

Again you can always, at any point even if you bough EU4 now, revert back to another version, but the game still works fine without the DLC's. I have a few friends that didnt buy all DLC's and they play the game just fine.
1) As I've shown VAC only shows somebody changed something on a secured server, and doesn't state if that action is even bad. A Field of View changer (your viewmodel sizing) can get you banned in numerous games, despite being included in later COD's and professional leagues stating the mod is OK to USE. You're just unknowledgeable on this subject.
2) I'd rather buy Witcher 3, GTA V, Civ VI, or any other new good AAA game than 2 DLC for Eu4. I wouldn't buy EU4 base for 52$ cdn either. It's a 30$ game base, 50$ with all required DLC.
And it doesn't work "Fine" without DLC. It's a semi-decent game without DLC, basically base 4.5/10
8/10 With required DLC.
9/10 with all DLC, since some are poorly implemented (faction system) and others add basically no content

"Directly taken from steam"

The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modifications to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries.

Its pretty simple don't you think ? you cheated or manipulated files.. You can claim anything you want, but the fact still is that you did one of those or possible both.


GTAV and Civ VI has to be some of the most simplistic games out there to date and without innovation.. But why didnt you buy them then instead of EU4 dlc's that is the real question.. If you dislike EU4 and its DLC's why not just stop buying it and play something else ? nah you like EU4 better and this is why you are annoyed.


EU4 is a great game without any dlc at all, but since you fail to understand how their production works then you can't understand.. Let me see if I can find anything about it and post it in next post.

Its pretty hillarius however, that you want Civ VI. A game where you have to pay tons of cash to get simple civilizations to play.. I mean the main game has much much less civs to play then its old old old predessesors... The expansions cost around 30-40 Euro and bring little else then few minor features... Compared to EU series, the Civ series spams the same game over and over again and the same dlc's... In the life time of EU4 (2013) we have seen 1 expansion to Civ V and Civ BE and Civ VI. The full list of dlc's for Civ V is over 100 euro's (when not on sale) Factor in the price of Civ BE + its expansions and now Civ VI and its DLC's you get well over 400 euro...

The difference here is that they have made 3 games with the same expansions and civs to buy as dlc's where Paradox has keeps EU4 but instead enhanced the game and bring more features as opposed to instead make Eu5 in 2016/17..


It makes little sense to me to buy Civ VI if you already have Civ V its practically the same game with the same Dlc's / expansions "when they come"


But to each his own.
AdahnGorion Jun 17, 2017 @ 8:50pm 
Originally posted by Co'Rev:
Originally posted by Darkie:

Thats a fact.

Games, PC's for the sake are not essential for living. Games are merely entertainment and thus luxury goods. So its not irrelevant, its simple truth. If you can't fork out 60 euro now and then for games, then I dare say you have more pressing concerns than playing games on your PC..

If we do look at price // hours of entertainment, then EU4 most certainly most be one of the most value for cash kinda games.

Thats a fact.

Yes it is. It's not an argument. It's a fact, and an irrelevant one at that.
If you bought a constant comedity, lets say oil at a given price "x", and for no reason whatsoever, the price of "x" is doubled to "2x" then you, and about 90% of other consumers would be extremely furious about the price hike, especially if you either have to constantly by oil, or if oil "Extras" are purchased based off of the new "2x" rather than "x".
The thing is, if you bought Eu4 NOW you would not be happy with either the pricing, or the game BASE without DLC, nor would ANYONE fork out 280$ or more for the entire game.
this is why pirating of Eu4 is likely to rise

The thing is Oil is for some (not all) essential as opposed to a videogame.. If food prices spiked extremely then people would get angry, if the yo-yo had a price increase of 500% most would not care, because its entertainment and not essential.. Sure some would be annoyed, but they would simply buy another entertainment.. Thus your example is pretty invalid and mot.

EU4 and its dlc's have been on sale alot of times and will be so again at the summersale.. I don't think alot of new customers will come to this "niche" game in this late state.. But if they did they would most likely have fun with vanilla and either buy dlc's or play something else.

Again I rather pay 160 euro for EU4 with tons of updates/patches + dlc's expansions, then buy 3 Civ games and the same dlc/expansions over again.. Whats the point of making almost the same game without innovation ?
AdahnGorion Jun 17, 2017 @ 8:53pm 
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/06/05/paradox-crusader-kings-2-future/

You should read that btw. I promised to find a link
Miles Jun 17, 2017 @ 9:14pm 
Can you two take this off the forum. Its getting both ridiculous and embarrasing.
Crow Jun 17, 2017 @ 9:42pm 
@Darkie

First of all; You are so naive to believe that the VAC system isn't flawed. Of course it will be, there isn't anything out there that is 'perfect'.

Second of all; Now you are just trying to point fingers at people for 'cheating', trying to defend yourself. It's sad how people resort to that nowadays.

Finally, quit making a fool out of yourself. First you quote your in-game time trying to defend yourself, which it's private, and then you try to defend yourself afterwards.


Do you have any idea what you're even doing? :iffy:

Now quit defending yourself like a cornered animal and get back on the main subject. This is getting ridiculous.
Last edited by Crow; Jun 17, 2017 @ 9:42pm
Riot Jun 18, 2017 @ 1:50am 
Originally posted by Co'Rev:
Originally posted by Darkie:

Thats a fact.

Games, PC's for the sake are not essential for living. Games are merely entertainment and thus luxury goods. So its not irrelevant, its simple truth. If you can't fork out 60 euro now and then for games, then I dare say you have more pressing concerns than playing games on your PC..

If we do look at price // hours of entertainment, then EU4 most certainly most be one of the most value for cash kinda games.

Thats a fact.

Yes it is. It's not an argument. It's a fact, and an irrelevant one at that.
If you bought a constant comedity, lets say oil at a given price "x", and for no reason whatsoever, the price of "x" is doubled to "2x" then you, and about 90% of other consumers would be extremely furious about the price hike, especially if you either have to constantly by oil, or if oil "Extras" are purchased based off of the new "2x" rather than "x".
The thing is, if you bought Eu4 NOW you would not be happy with either the pricing, or the game BASE without DLC, nor would ANYONE fork out 280$ or more for the entire game.

Remove pirate part of ur comment. Mods can take it as reason to remove whole thread and ban you.
All fanboys already reported, 100%.
Last edited by Riot; Jun 18, 2017 @ 4:12am
Mert Kaya Jun 18, 2017 @ 2:43am 
Because regional price increase in countries like Turkey & Russia and unfair price structure of dlcs.
MisterKampus Jun 18, 2017 @ 3:19am 
I myself have mixed feelings about the DLC policy. On one hand it is great that they keep develop their game and release free patches. Every new update gives me a reason to play another easy 100-150 hours which makes the game unique in my librairy. The majority of the DLC's contain some really nice features which you want to have. Still the prices are high, but even if you compare the price of the most expensive DLC's without sales, 20 euro's/dollars, you will get another 100+ hours of gameplays.

If I look at all my other games, I paid no more then 25 euro's for each of them, and there are only a few that exceed the amount of 150 hours playtime. This makes a 20 euro DLC practically a new game for a reasonable price.

Still I do not think they should have raised the prices in other countries, raising prices after years is not thrustworthy and looks like they want to farm their community. Same with that they used to give 75% off on old DLC's in sales, which is reasonable, but now they are max 50%. Again not nice to the community. I also do think that some features of DLC's like developing your country form the very base of the game by now and should be included in either a cheaper DLC pack or in the game itself. It is not fair with the institution mechanic.

Overall I am quite happy with paradox and I hope they keep adding features to the game. Something with the battle mechanics and the HRE would be nice :)
AdahnGorion Jun 18, 2017 @ 3:51am 
Originally posted by withche07 (Mert):
Because regional price increase in countries like Turkey & Russia and unfair price structure of dlcs.

The price increase in those countries are more than fair, infact they should pay the same as us. Its pretty unfair that all Europeans/NA have to pay extra just so people can get it cheap in those other regions. Remember thta those that can afford this luxury (games are luxury goods) Have the same or even sometimes more cash to spend, despite living in one of those regions.. Also remember that its way to easy to get "non region locked" copies in said regions and that just supports the black marked.
AdahnGorion Jun 18, 2017 @ 3:56am 
Originally posted by Crow:
@Darkie

First of all; You are so naive to believe that the VAC system isn't flawed. Of course it will be, there isn't anything out there that is 'perfect'.

Second of all; Now you are just trying to point fingers at people for 'cheating', trying to defend yourself. It's sad how people resort to that nowadays.

Finally, quit making a fool out of yourself. First you quote your in-game time trying to defend yourself, which it's private, and then you try to defend yourself afterwards.


Do you have any idea what you're even doing? :iffy:

Now quit defending yourself like a cornered animal and get back on the main subject. This is getting ridiculous.


So instead of accepting you have a visible VAC ban and have been countered with several arguements about the DLC, you instead put up a personal attack and make it about my profile being private.. Are you really that dumb ? You expose yourself as a weak debator and if anyone is defending anything then its you saying VAC bans are flawed and your are innocent. Did you know its against the steam to post about your VAC ban being wrongfully ?? Well it actually is. The fact of the matter is you are a cheater, that is visible for all of us to see (even if you had a private profile)

You are yet to respond to any of my put up arguements about why the DLC policies are fine and the reason you don't want to stick to that topic is that you can't win it. It even goes against your own statistic to claim its awful.
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