Shadow Kingdom and reign in Italy

[Semantius]

Started new game as austria, and I have no idea, what should I do to pass a desicion and stop shadow kingdom. What qualifies as "reign"? Direct control? Vassalisation? Can someone pls explain.

[Keaton]

From the Wiki - chapter Rein in Northern Italy

Preventing the Shadow Kingdom event requires adding eight more provinces to the HRE: Venice's, Treviso, Friuli, and Verona, Urbino, and The Papal State's Ancona, Romagna, Umbria, and Roma. If all these provinces are in the HRE from 1490 to 1550, the event cannot fire. The Rein in Northern Italy decision allows some extra flexibility in achieving this goal. This decision adds the emperor's (& subjects') Italian provinces to the HRE immediately, and prevents the Shadow Kingdom event forever. Thus, Austria can take some or all of the provinces with vassals or PUs, without needing to hold them directly to add them to the HRE as normal. This does mean losing the potential Imperial authority.png Imperial Authority bonus from adding those provinces normally.

(wiki has a map for visual)

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Austria

Though not sure if the new update made changes to the event.

[Velat]

Originally posted by Keaton:

From the Wiki - chapter Rein in Northern Italy

Preventing the Shadow Kingdom event requires adding eight more provinces to the HRE: Venice's, Treviso, Friuli, and Verona, Urbino, and The Papal State's Ancona, Romagna, Umbria, and Roma. If all these provinces are in the HRE from 1490 to 1550, the event cannot fire. The Rein in Northern Italy decision allows some extra flexibility in achieving this goal. This decision adds the emperor's (& subjects') Italian provinces to the HRE immediately, and prevents the Shadow Kingdom event forever. Thus, Austria can take some or all of the provinces with vassals or PUs, without needing to hold them directly to add them to the HRE as normal. This does mean losing the potential Imperial authority.png Imperial Authority bonus from adding those provinces normally.

(wiki has a map for visual)

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Austria

Though not sure if the new update made changes to the event.

It has definitely changed it, but I'm not sure how

[tonypa]

If you have Emperor DLC, the whole event is different.

[Cristianos Komnenos]

with emperor dlc, you have to wait for the imperial incident. Assuming you've picked the option to try and keep the italian states in the HRE, you need to beat the states you want to keep in the HRE in a war (you just need to win it, dont need to take any provinces) or have "good relations" with them. Idk what counts as good relations, but alliances definitely work.

This is kind of unbalanced as of now and still not correctly coded. In my game for example Genoa got seperate peaced out in a war i called them in which was against milan and some other allies. In that peacedeal, genoa ofc paid money to Milan, which technically means they lost a war. Now, after that war i broke my alliance with Genoa and the Decision told me that genoa was not going to break out of HRE because they were apparently defeated in a war? Not sure if its that but the same happened to the Papal States (yes, they joined the HRE) after they lost a war against France.

Also, as you only need to ally the italian states to keep them in HRE, it is possible to just ally all italian states in the HRE (ofc going over your diplo limit), pass the decision to prevent them from leaving HRE and after that break alliances with them.

[pat]

You just need to get their relation to at least 150. Also it looks like some italian duchies might decide to stay no matter what when the initial diet happens in around 1460.

[SkeletronFace]

Vassaling italian states doesn't seem to include them as "reined in", however alliance and winning war seems to work.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by SkeletronFace:

Vassaling italian states doesn't seem to include them as "reined in", however alliance and winning war seems to work.

Three year necro.

That said, pretty sure subject states are explicitly supposed to count as reined in, unless something got changed recently. You have details on the situation where you subjugated an Italian prince but they didn't count as reined in?

[Alidrules]

Originally posted by Semantius:

Started new game as austria, and I have no idea, what should I do to pass a desicion and stop shadow kingdom. What qualifies as "reign"? Direct control? Vassalisation? Can someone pls explain.

Ally all of them. You'll have to look at who rivals who but it can be done reasonably easy.

Or simply go to war with all of them. You do not need to take anything from them just be sure that you white peace them individually. Most have one or two allied with them and if you're lucky you should be able to co-b them and get most in 1 or 2 wars.

[Malvastor]

Originally posted by Alidrules:

Or simply go to war with all of them. You do not need to take anything from them just be sure that you white peace them individually. Most have one or two allied with them and if you're lucky you should be able to co-b them and get most in 1 or 2 wars.

Careful with this- you have to defeat them in a war, and from what I understand the game counts that by you taking something from them in the peace. It can just be reparations, but I believe a white peace would not count.