Any mention of Anarchists or Anarchism?

[La_Anarquista]

So I grew up on consoles and have been getting into cRPGs in the past couple years (PoE, BG, PS:T, Shadowrun, WL2:DC). The Civilization games piqued my interests almost two decades ago whenever it was that i saw it first. Now that I've been doing some research I think of all these strategy games (Endless Legend, Civ, HoI, TW) Europa looks the most interesting and might also be the most highly praised. Just out of curiousity is Anarchism ever mentioned in ANY of these games? I would love to do something with the Anarchists of the Spanish Civil War specifically.

[Blue Knight™]

No the game doesnt dabble in people trying to overthrow the goverment and impliment their own version or equality and whatnot this is more about making your Nation State the biggest strongest and bestest

[Raider Deci]

What Blue Knight said

CK2 does focus way more on the internal, although its set in the medieval fuedal world so theres not much of changing ideologies. Closest thing your coming is problaby Stellaris, even though that also have the goal of being best/biggest/baddest-etc but you can dabble a bit in specific ideologies and policys in that (a bit)

[Kagemin]

Iirc Victoria 2 has Anarchists, it focusses much more on politicks and internal stuff than EU4.

[Alpaca Rotorvator]

Originally posted by Kagemin:

Iirc Victoria 2 has Anarchists, it focusses much more on politicks and internal stuff than EU4.

Yes it has, but you can't really play with them except for putting an anarcho-capitalist party in power IIRC.
The Hearts of Iron series covers WWII but the campaign starts around the time of the spanish civil war, not sure about anarchists in it because I never cared much for HoI tbh.

[barkingamer]

This game is from 1444-1821

What do you think?

[The_Dead_Artist]

Depends on your definition of anarchy. You get rebellions, which cause anarchy within your empire. Nobles try to otherthrow the current regime, peasants assault your lands for increased autonomy and lowered taxes, religious fanatics rise up and try and forcibly convert your nation to their own viewpoint...so yes, anarchy, as defined by a group, condition or entity that rejects a certain heirachy, absolutely exists in the game. But as a political philosophy that aims to bring about a stateless society? No, anarchism does not exist in the game. This game epitomises empire management based upon heirarchy, control, state management and imperialst conquest.

[La_Anarquista]

Yeah, with Anarchist I specifically was wondering about doing something with the Anarchists of Spain during their Civil War. Sounds like HoI is the only one that might have something.

With Castro's recent passing i would love to do something with Cuba. But I guess no game would go into the late 50s. No Cold War expansion packs or anything?

[Halfinger]

HOI comes the closest. Also EU4 is not really a politically focused game. You might actually be best to go the board game route. Companies such as MMP and GMT do a lot of specialised areas of conflict. I actually refer these games to computer games.

Twilight Struggle, an awesome board game, has the Cuban missile crisis and a 'Che' card. That game might scratch your itch.

[La_Anarquista]

Yeah, but I don't have anyone personally who would take up such a thing.

And by the way, Alan Turing?! One of my last papers for college was about him.

[Halfinger]

Originally posted by La_Anarquista:

Yeah, but I don't have anyone personally who would take up such a thing.

And by the way, Alan Turing?! One of my last papers for college was about him.

Oh nice. He has been my avatar for years although he is much better known now.

[Blue Knight™]

Originally posted by La_Anarquista:

Yeah, but I don't have anyone personally who would take up such a thing.

And by the way, Alan Turing?! One of my last papers for college was about him.

Unforunetly there is no Game yet that brings True politics+ Warfare+Diplomacy and so on, no game is yet to simulate real life, maybe some indie games you could check up that are more about Politics and less about Nation States

[mischa.zehnbauer]

There used to be games that tried to simulate politics on a larger scale, often starting from an educational approach. Their mechanisms lean heavily towards political (neo-)Realism, but if you don't mind the ideological bias they can be fun. Also they look like crap by todays standards and feel pretty clumsy. However, you might want to take a look at them. Most of them are abandonware nowadays. Some examples that may be interesting.

Shadow President: Very complex political situation on a global scale. You are US-president or, to be more precise, US's elected absolute monarch as there is no parliamentary system included. IIRC also contained alternative scenarios.

Crisis in the Kremlin: Focuses on the last years of the Sowjet Union. Never quite figured out how it works, but in theory you can prevent the fall of the SU.

Conflict - Middle East Political Simulator: Despite the name not realy a political simulator, as war is the only option. However a fun game that has the additional benefit of being very easy to learn, while winning is a totaly different thing.

Hidden Agenda: Think tropico in hard. You become president of a fictive south american nation during the cold war and have to balance different factions within your country as well as US/Sowjet interests.

Yes Prime Minister: Never played it, but I heard it was quite difficult to master and a fun experience.

There are many more games, try google for educational games for a start. I know that there was a cool game that dealt with the rise of Solidarność in POland, but I can't find it right now.

edit: Uh, I forgot Balance of Power. It's a cold-war simulator

[La_Anarquista]

So I just played the demo of EUIV for like 20-30 minutes. The first group of rebels I put down in Meath actually used the Anarchist flag with the diagnol red & black split. Of course the word was never typed or spoken but it was still kind of funny to see right away.

But I've basically added like 10 strategy games to my wishlist. I think I'd prefer the more map heavy ones that the Total War Shogun style (even tho it looks sweet). Which is most highly regarded: EUIV? HoI? or CK2?

[Blue Knight™]

Originally posted by mischa.zehnbauer:

There used to be games that tried to simulate politics on a larger scale, often starting from an educational approach. Their mechanisms lean heavily towards political (neo-)Realism, but if you don't mind the ideological bias they can be fun. Also they look like crap by todays standards and feel pretty clumsy. However, you might want to take a look at them. Most of them are abandonware nowadays. Some examples that may be interesting.

Shadow President: Very complex political situation on a global scale. You are US-president or, to be more precise, US's elected absolute monarch as there is no parliamentary system included. IIRC also contained alternative scenarios.

Crisis in the Kremlin: Focuses on the last years of the Sowjet Union. Never quite figured out how it works, but in theory you can prevent the fall of the SU.

Conflict - Middle East Political Simulator: Despite the name not realy a political simulator, as war is the only option. However a fun game that has the additional benefit of being very easy to learn, while winning is a totaly different thing.

Hidden Agenda: Think tropico in hard. You become president of a fictive south american nation during the cold war and have to balance different factions within your country as well as US/Sowjet interests.

Yes Prime Minister: Never played it, but I heard it was quite difficult to master and a fun experience.

There are many more games, try google for educational games for a start. I know that there was a cool game that dealt with the rise of Solidarność in POland, but I can't find it right now.

edit: Uh, I forgot Balance of Power. It's a cold-war simulator

I checked all these out, and ALL are on DOS M-Dos like jesus ive never looked into hard core politicals games before but surely there are some that arnt on DOS

[mischa.zehnbauer]

Not many. Stuff doesn't sell. There is of course the "democracy" franchise, but that's a very simplified view on politics at best and mostly centers on internal politics. Oh and superpower 1 and 2, but I skipped that after the desastrous reviews they got after release. However, I guess they had enough time to atch out the worst bugs. I also heard they have quite a bunch of mods, so if you look for a modern game, you might give it a try.

Quick goodle search revealed that there are many many many browser based games out there. For the topic at hand that is surely a good approach, but I have no experiences with them.