How to change HRE religion?

[Gio L'Uomo Focaccina]

Help please guys I'm in the age of reformation, as Brandeburg and Emperor of HRE in 1512, I can form Prussia but if I switch religion I'm kicked out of being emperor

[tonypa]

If you have Art of War, HRE religion can be changed through Religious League War.
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Holy_Roman_Empire#Religious_leagues

Without AoW I do not think HRE religion can be changed.

[Omniconda]

emperor cant change unless the relgious war ended in a draw or reform passed to disable the league- peace of westphalia

the emperor has to stay catholic or become ineligable for emperorship if the protestant side wins the league war the emperor must be protestant only a draw allows any religion to lead

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by tonypa:

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Without AoW I do not think HRE religion can be changed.

Do you stay Emperor if you convert after making the Emperorship hereditary? If it works it will also work without AoW.
(I know it works for government changes like (Revolutionary) Republic but have never tested it with conversion to "wrong" Christian or non-Christian religions)

[tonypa]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

Do you stay Emperor if you convert after making the Emperorship hereditary? If it works it will also work without AoW.
(I know it works for government changes like (Revolutionary) Republic but have never tested it with conversion to "wrong" Christian or non-Christian religions)

I am not sure. It is possible that after Proclaim Erbkaisertum is passed you can go crazy with religion.

[Gio L'Uomo Focaccina]

SO what should I do? I want to form Prussia but I can't do it without losing the emperorship. Is there a year to wait maybe for when I should convert without losing my title?

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by Gio L'Uomo Focaccina:

SO what should I do? I want to form Prussia but I can't do it without losing the emperorship. Is there a year to wait maybe for when I should convert without losing my title?

If you have AoW the "easiest"/"best"/"most fun" way would be to convert (and lose Emperorship), form Prussia and lead the League War against the new Emperor (maybe you can engineer the Elector's votes that a very weak Emperor is elected). Before and during the War get your relationship with all Protestant Electors up so that you are elected new Emperor directly after the war.

If you don't have AoW pass Erbkaisertum (hereditary HRE reform) and convert afterwards. If you stay Emperor you get what you wanted, if you lose Emperorship what you want is impossible anyway.


Question: Are you (as Human Player) automatically elected if you are the only Protestant Elector and win the War (and eligible (male ruler, ...))?

Originally posted by tonypa:

I am not sure. It is possible that after Proclaim Erbkaisertum is passed you can go crazy with religion.

I might try it sometime: Become HR Emperor, pass Erbkaisertum, convert to some Pagan religion, become Emperor of China, form Roman Empire.

[Gio L'Uomo Focaccina]

HRE is at 2nd reform, imperial authority is capped at zero because of heretic princes so I won't be able to pass Erbkaisertum.

I guess my only way is to cede imperialship, sadly

[Gio L'Uomo Focaccina]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

Originally posted by Gio L'Uomo Focaccina:

SO what should I do? I want to form Prussia but I can't do it without losing the emperorship. Is there a year to wait maybe for when I should convert without losing my title?

If you have AoW the "easiest"/"best"/"most fun" way would be to convert (and lose Emperorship), form Prussia and lead the League War against the new Emperor (maybe you can engineer the Elector's votes that a very weak Emperor is elected). Before and during the War get your relationship with all Protestant Electors up so that you are elected new Emperor directly after the war.

If you don't have AoW pass Erbkaisertum (hereditary HRE reform) and convert afterwards. If you stay Emperor you get what you wanted, if you lose Emperorship what you want is impossible anyway.


Question: Are you (as Human Player) automatically elected if you are the only Protestant Elector and win the War (and eligible (male ruler, ...))?

Originally posted by tonypa:

I am not sure. It is possible that after Proclaim Erbkaisertum is passed you can go crazy with religion.

I might try it sometime: Become HR Emperor, pass Erbkaisertum, convert to some Pagan religion, become Emperor of China, form Roman Empire.

I can make electors vote for me but i can't decide who they will vote when I will become uneligible. And Austria has a bonus to be re-elected

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by Gio L'Uomo Focaccina:

HRE is at 2nd reform, imperial authority is capped at zero because of heretic princes so I won't be able to pass Erbkaisertum.

I guess my only way is to cede imperialship, sadly

The "usual" way to get enough IA for reforms is to add provinces to the HRE (1 IA per province unmodified). Conquer much, pause the game, add 50 provinces (maybe more if not enough Princes vote for the reform), pass reform, unpause.

Originally posted by Gio L'Uomo Focaccina:

I can make electors vote for me but i can't decide who they will vote when I will become uneligible. And Austria has a bonus to be re-elected

Austria has no "Austria-bonus" to being re-elected just for being Austria. It usually has a high Dip Rep which factors into elections but any nation with high Dip Rep gets the same bonus.

To influence an election:
You can for example annex Electors who are voting for Austria that only Austria-hostile Electors remain (as IA is at 0 anyway you can live with the "too few Electors" penalty until after the War) or promote Austria's rivals to Electors.
Or convert (and lose Emperorship) when Austria has no majority (you can check who an ELector will vote for if not for you) or is ineligible (e.g. female ruler)

[Fellini_Fiend]

If your can manage the Protestant League War go go on for a long time (well over 5 years) without the war ending in a victory on either side then the Peace of Westphalia I think is what it’s called will fire and there will be no specific official religion in The HRE meaning the emperor could be Coptic, Orthodox, Reformed, Anglican, or Protestant as well as Catholic. You just have to make sure that as the war leader of the Protestant side or of the Catholic side you do not enforce any demands at all and take a white peace. This can also happen randomly the longer the war goes but the surest way to get the event to fire is after years you do a white peace on the leader of the opposing side.

There is also an exploit you can use by going to later bookmark date where there isn’t an official religion in the HRE and then load the oldest bookmark and when you load in at 1444 it won’t ever have an official religion. It’s the way you can be the Ottomans and become the emperor pretty early on once you have christian zealots take over more than half of your country by them converting the land.