Liberty Desire Being Ret###d

[That Random Alien]

Sooo, I have a bunch of colonies and vassals, and their liberty desire is getting pretty high. However, despite doing thing such as promoting the local rulers and such, their liberty desire is not going down at all. I mean, it works twice, but then it just stops working. Heck, I even used console commands to lower their liberty desire, yet even THAT doesn't work! For example, my colony in Polynesia has 35% liberty desire, and out of desperation, I do the command add_liberty_desire -100 c09. Guess what, the liberty desire stays at 35%. Ever since this recent patch came out, this has been a problem, and before you ask it isn't the mods. I've disabled every single mod, and this problem persists. So, what is going on?

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

What is the reason for the Liberty Desire?
Hover over the number in the Subjects tab and check where the LD comes from.

[That Random Alien]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

What is the reason for the Liberty Desire?
Hover over the number in the Subjects tab and check where the LD comes from.

It seems to be coming from their development. But what is strange, is that I've been able to counter this in the past no problem

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by That Random Alien:

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

What is the reason for the Liberty Desire?
Hover over the number in the Subjects tab and check where the LD comes from.

It seems to be coming from their development. But what is strange, is that I've been able to counter this in the past no problem

I think liberty desire that comes from something static like development can only be countered by gaining a positive modifier, not by removing the negative one.

[That Random Alien]

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

Originally posted by That Random Alien:

It seems to be coming from their development. But what is strange, is that I've been able to counter this in the past no problem

I think liberty desire that comes from something static like development can only be countered by gaining a positive modifier, not by removing the negative one.

Oh really? What are some positive modifiers I can do? Also, I've been able to counter development before.

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by That Random Alien:

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

I think liberty desire that comes from something static like development can only be countered by gaining a positive modifier, not by removing the negative one.

Oh really? What are some positive modifiers I can do? Also, I've been able to counter development before.

You've been able to reduce the amount of liberty desire from development? The only way I know to do that is for you to conquer more land yourself, which lowers the penalty. Could be other ways, not 100% sure myself. As for positive modifiers, basic things like good relations, placating rulers (like you mentioned), all that good stuff.

[p]

Originally posted by That Random Alien:

Sooo, I have a bunch of colonies and vassals, and their liberty desire is getting pretty high. However, despite doing thing such as promoting the local rulers and such, their liberty desire is not going down at all. I mean, it works twice, but then it just stops working. Heck, I even used console commands to lower their liberty desire, yet even THAT doesn't work! For example, my colony in Polynesia has 35% liberty desire, and out of desperation, I do the command add_liberty_desire -100 c09. Guess what, the liberty desire stays at 35%. Ever since this recent patch came out, this has been a problem, and before you ask it isn't the mods. I've disabled every single mod, and this problem persists. So, what is going on?

I mean, if you dont want to lose your colonies, you should have just moved your capital to them so colonial nations wouldnt spawn

[That Random Alien]

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

Originally posted by That Random Alien:

Oh really? What are some positive modifiers I can do? Also, I've been able to counter development before.

You've been able to reduce the amount of liberty desire from development? The only way I know to do that is for you to conquer more land yourself, which lowers the penalty. Could be other ways, not 100% sure myself. As for positive modifiers, basic things like good relations, placating rulers (like you mentioned), all that good stuff.

Oh? So conquer more land and develop my land more? I can do that! Also, placating rulers has no effect on their liberty desire. It has had effect before, but now it doesn't for some strange reason

Originally posted by Napoleon Bonaparte:

Originally posted by That Random Alien:

Sooo, I have a bunch of colonies and vassals, and their liberty desire is getting pretty high. However, despite doing thing such as promoting the local rulers and such, their liberty desire is not going down at all. I mean, it works twice, but then it just stops working. Heck, I even used console commands to lower their liberty desire, yet even THAT doesn't work! For example, my colony in Polynesia has 35% liberty desire, and out of desperation, I do the command add_liberty_desire -100 c09. Guess what, the liberty desire stays at 35%. Ever since this recent patch came out, this has been a problem, and before you ask it isn't the mods. I've disabled every single mod, and this problem persists. So, what is going on?

I mean, if you dont want to lose your colonies, you should have just moved your capital to them so colonial nations wouldnt spawn

Yeah, that could work. But I'm not going for a world conquest run. Plus, I'd rather not mange that much territory.

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by That Random Alien:

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

You've been able to reduce the amount of liberty desire from development? The only way I know to do that is for you to conquer more land yourself, which lowers the penalty. Could be other ways, not 100% sure myself. As for positive modifiers, basic things like good relations, placating rulers (like you mentioned), all that good stuff.

Oh? So conquer more land and develop my land more? I can do that! Also, placating rulers has no effect on their liberty desire. It has had effect before, but now it doesn't for some strange reason

Looking back on it, I may have misspoke. I believe that conquering more land only serves to lower the "relative power to overlord" modifier (which can get quite nasty), but unfortunately I think you're stuck with the development penalty.

[VaderDFXB]

Yeah, that sounds either like a bug or the recent "hotfix" added a silent nerf to the game. Probably got nerfed. Used to be you could just placate rulers like crazy and it'd work just fine. I also noticed that after the hotfix I CANNOT give a vassal any provinces that would cause them to be over 100% whilst before the recent hotfix I could go nuts with giving them land. FFS Paradox, stop nerfing my fun.

[tavald.musashi]

There are ways to reduce liberty desire caused by development.
The simplest one is the age of revolution bonus.

[That Random Alien]

Originally posted by VaderDFXB:

Yeah, that sounds either like a bug or the recent "hotfix" added a silent nerf to the game. Probably got nerfed. Used to be you could just placate rulers like crazy and it'd work just fine. I also noticed that after the hotfix I CANNOT give a vassal any provinces that would cause them to be over 100% whilst before the recent hotfix I could go nuts with giving them land. FFS Paradox, stop nerfing my fun.

We must get a mod to fix this, ASAP

[kaiyl_kariashi]

Plactate Ruler is considered a temporary modifier and is in the same stack as all other temporary LD modifiers, which is capped at -100.

once you hit that limit, you can't lower liberty desire any further except by by reducing the amount of permanent +LD factors (or adding more permanent -LD factors).

[tonypa]

Originally posted by VaderDFXB:

Yeah, that sounds either like a bug or the recent "hotfix" added a silent nerf to the game.

I doubt they bother doing "silent" nerfs on arbitrary features. Only LD-related note from 1.28.x is this:

"Fixed uncapped liberty desire absolutism exploit."

There could always be new bugs appearing because something else was changed.