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Claudius Aetius 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 10:24
Loan sistem need improvement
Hi all

I think EU4's automatic loan sistem sucks. If you doesn't have enough treasure positive balance the loan is automatically started. It doesn't give you any oportunity to negociate better payment conditions or simply ask any ally nation to help.
It doesn't give you option of, for instance, sell some ships or a province if the situation is desperate.
The only option is an automatic and mandatory loan!
I think Paradox need to review the entire issue and give us a free upgrade...
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Tarshaid 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 10:37 
You can do such things. Assuming you do it before you get to negative treasury. Which you can see in advance since neither your monthly balance, nor your treasury, are hidden. Of course you don't get free diplomatic actions for being broke, so you'll need a diplomat for that, and the game will not politely wait while you recall your diplomats from the other side of the planet, then move your ships around until they're in range of the potential buyer who might or might not accept, etc...
tonypa 2019 年 3 月 31 日 下午 12:27 
You should keep an eye on your income and balance all the time. Careful spending all your money and getting dangerously low on cash.

Yes, you can be hit by unexpected random event and go into negative. In such case, do not panic, repay the loan as soon it runs out and you will be fine.
brian_va 2019 年 3 月 31 日 下午 1:36 
引用自 scaletho
It doesn't give you option of, for instance, sell some ships or a province if the situation is desperate.
The only option is an automatic and mandatory loan!
when the balance shows negative, you have until the start of the next month to correct it or the loan is automatic. like tonypa said, keep an eye on your balance. if you are just burning through the game on speed 5, consider slowing it down so you can react.
billy 2019 年 3 月 31 日 下午 1:57 
you take action before the loans are taken , you get some notice. sometimes an event will force you to no matter how you plan.

one thing to note , loans are common and not a sign of doing badly like in other games. A loan doesnt mean your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ or you did something wrong or need to worry.

Loans are actually OP ( they used to be a lot more OP) and if you watch good players in multiplayer they arent scared of lots of loans . I personally try to avoid them as i don't like them but there are lots of times when taking a loan is the best thing to do even when you dont 'need' one. In the real world every country has huge loans and everyone owes each other debt.

Being able to negotiate the loan rate would be boring , pointless and a waste of time in my opinion , i dont wont to tweak a slider every time just for the sake of it.
最后由 billy 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 31 日 下午 1:59
tonypa 2019 年 3 月 31 日 下午 10:47 
引用自 billy
Being able to negotiate the loan rate would be boring , pointless and a waste of time in my opinion , i dont wont to tweak a slider every time just for the sake of it.

There are actually loan offers from other countries in the game, but you can not ask for these, they have to offer the loan to you. There is also Jains Estate (India only, requires Dharma DLC) that can be used to take loans with 1% or even 0.5% interest (instead of 4% of normal loan), but I never bother with these myself.
Stormy Waters 2019 年 4 月 1 日 上午 2:19 
引用自 tonypa
引用自 billy
Being able to negotiate the loan rate would be boring , pointless and a waste of time in my opinion , i dont wont to tweak a slider every time just for the sake of it.

There are actually loan offers from other countries in the game, but you can not ask for these, they have to offer the loan to you. There is also Jains Estate (India only, requires Dharma DLC) that can be used to take loans with 1% or even 0.5% interest (instead of 4% of normal loan), but I never bother with these myself.

The Janis loans are really helpful. Atleast to seek support for the religous unity buff :)
Claudius Aetius 2019 年 4 月 1 日 上午 7:10 
Thanks guys. Anyway I still think the player should be able to decide the best way to solve negative balance in his treasure, and not the game.
An automatic loan is unfair, in my point of view. I'm not a pro, and I struggle to get out of debt, mainly in the beginnig of the game, when a nation profit is still very low.
the_panther 2019 年 4 月 1 日 上午 7:32 
Just keep in mind that the game gives you plenty of information as to when an automatic loan is going to occur:

1. A loan is coming due on May 1. I pause the game in April and see if there is anything I want to do about it before it renews. Most of the time, I take out a new, bigger loan on the theory that it is better to have 1 large loan than 3 small ones.

2. My treasury is going to become negative on August 1 because I am running a deficit. Again, I pause the game in July to see if a new loan is the best course of action. The great majority of the time, I simply let the loan occur. Many times, I can do things like remove garrisons on forts, drop some slider down, decrease maintenance on the army or navy, as well as other things to make my income positive.

3. The game pauses when I get an event where I can spend gold for some benefit such as admin power or something equally good. I notice that the selection to spend gold will move me to a negative balance. I now get to decide if taking the loan is worth the benefit.

My point is that you are always in control. The ONLY thing the game engine does is to NOT allow you to carry a negative balance into the following month. Nothing more, nothing less. The player decides if an automatic loan is to his benefit, and this only occurs if the player does nothing about it.

I see loans as a very strategic aspect of the game. I have had runs where I carry loans for longer than a full century before finally climbing out of debt.

In my most recent Karaman to Rum achievement run, I recall taking out 2 very large loans late in the run for the sole purpose of paying for the final institution. My income was so high that I had no trouble paying them off 5 years later.
最后由 the_panther 编辑于; 2019 年 4 月 1 日 上午 7:40
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