Denmark-How do you colonize

[basiltheslayer]

PLaying as Denmark for the first time - I want to colonize Greenland then North America - but its too far away to my home port. Is there no way for Denmark to actually create a colonial empire then?

[Old Man Chimere]

There is hope for you yet, considering that scotland has been all but exiled to a few small islands. From there all you really need to do is basically be a skrub and declare war on them and conquer the faroe islands, then you can use that as your naval base to colonize and once you have a fully established colony, do yourself the favour and return the province to scotland, or release them as a vassal. Otherwise you face certain doom for holding that land.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

your colonial range expands over time.

The first gen colonizers all start close to places where they can easily hop to America, but by the 2nd generation you can usually reach from Denmark (though you'll probably want to integrate Norway first since Iceland is the same effective distance from Greenland as Connacht and you'll be able to just barely reach by dip 7).


(there's no rush though. It's all Arctic so you won't even be able to colonize it till you stack a bunch of settler increases to keep positive settlers and you'll still be depending almost entirely on your Increase-settler chance roll to get your first colony up. It might even pay to just wait until you can reach a better spot with fewer colonizing penalties or can conquer and core a native near the coast to extend your range without needing a colony).

[Old Man Chimere]

I believe that basil does not want to wait to make a move, afterall he would be stuck either having the swedes develop their coppermines and become upstart, while piling ontop the french cancer that spreads across the americas. By the time he reaches that point all the good areas to colonize will be taken and all the canadian provinces will be left.
And for you basil I do sincerely hope that you plan and scooting the capital overseas, the last thing you need is to watch your danish thalassocracy turn into colonial nations and slip right from your very grasp. If you must do so then ensure you smack two colonies adjacent and hop along using your colonial range to move to the east central north america for the best development and least time spent suffering to those savages. But always leave four provinces if you plan on moving your capital, otherwise you can be brave and manipulate the colonial nations.

[basiltheslayer]

True I dont want to wait and see Spain/France get all the good places. What about Norway - it has Iceland and is in a Union with me. I would be expect to use Iceland as a stepping point for colonialization. Seems I need to conquer them to do that. How do I get them to declare war on me so I can integrate Norway into Denmary. Thanks

[Old Man Chimere]

If you have the common sense dlc you could scoop up one of the norwegian provinces, by seizing land in the subject interactions. But I forget if that only works for vassals or if a junior partner in a union allows for that. If it does allow you to do so, then i believe it has to be adjacent to one of your own cores, but even just a few provinces more just inches you closer to land.

Correction it is only allowed on vassals and mark vassals. Otherwise you could try wiping out norway by around 1520 and around that time you might have invested in the full exploration ideas. Plus collecting the points while integrating is quite difficult when also trying to maintain tech upkeep especially whne they both require diplomatic points.

[bri]

You can generally start to integrate Norway in 1494 as long as you've expanded to where you own more provinces than them. Stack up on dip rep and take influence ideas to speed it up and by the time you hit admin 10 you should be way past finished with it (assuming you aren't playing ezmode allowing all dip idea groups).

[salatrin]

You could also try manually raising Norway's liberty desire right up to 100% (using the subject interface and picking all the options that increase their liberty desire) and hope they find some support to then try to fight for their independance early on and then use that war to take their iceland provinces in the peace deal.

Could be risky depending on which ally they get to support them(cross your fingers that is isnt france) but also, ive never actually had a junion union member fight me for their independance before so not even fully sure if taking provinces in the peace deal is even possible but i dont see why not.

Also, im guessing your current Coring range(colonial range) would have to extend to at least iceland by that time as well.

[hengepupper]

its not worth it to fight norway for iceland
time is on your side just wait for range

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

I have not played Denmark before, only Sweden twice (once Colonial, once European Land power). In both games I eventually vassalized Norway because of its NI colonist. It is one more colonist that basically colonizes for you (if Norway's economy is healthy or you pay him some subsidies).
In both games in annexed Norway later giving me two nice Colonial Nations in Canada and East Coast.
In my Colonial Sweden game I eventually colonized around Hudson Bay and Florida myself and got my own CNs. After annexing Norway those don't merge, giving you two CNs in the same Region, each giving you the bonuses if at least 10 provinces.

[Old Man Chimere]

I am very sure that basil wants to actually have control over the territory, since 1.25 colonial nation ai have become even worse than ever, they are economically inept unless you have the necessary dlc to ineract with them and build stuff for them. and they lack in spending the money now. Colonial nations are what happens when your province lust gets warped and all those little territories now slip into the hands of evil. Not to mention that they are terrible to begin with and are exactly what detracts from having the gall to mass colonize at many expenses.

The colonial nations will also basically abondon him in his time of need and just point and laugh, when he gets invaded by the french cannon stacks.

[mystafyi]

SImple. do a no casus belli attack on an irish minor and take their province. There is less AE generated from ireland then folks would expect. I think when they added provinces over the patches it somehow added to the developed distance that effects AE. Whatever the reason, the effect of lower AE is still there.

[kazaddum]

Originally posted by basiltheslayer:

PLaying as Denmark for the first time - I want to colonize Greenland then North America - but its too far away to my home port. Is there no way for Denmark to actually create a colonial empire then?

Either wait until your colonial range covers it. Or do a Canute Magnus and restore the north sea empire.

[bri]

Originally posted by kazaddum:

Originally posted by basiltheslayer:

PLaying as Denmark for the first time - I want to colonize Greenland then North America - but its too far away to my home port. Is there no way for Denmark to actually create a colonial empire then?

Either wait until your colonial range covers it. Or do a Canute Magnus and restore the north sea empire.

That was actually a fairly enjoyable achievement run (Danelaw)...

[kazaddum]

Originally posted by bri:

Originally posted by kazaddum:

Either wait until your colonial range covers it. Or do a Canute Magnus and restore the north sea empire.

That was actually a fairly enjoyable achievement run (Danelaw)...

And in MEIOU and Taxes you even get the propper flag

[basiltheslayer]

Iceland conquest is solved. Norway obligingly declared war on me and the victory conditions included Iceland. Also Scotland declared war on Norway at the same time. So after defeating Norway I inherited war with Scotland. I land on Scotland, take 6 provinces - then the Barons Revolt starts....it goes on and on and on...i have to cede Scotland to end that war to focus on teh revolt. I borrow and borrow and i have never had this much debt before. Now I have religious strife..tearing the country apart..its all gone pear shaped. Has anyone got any good strategy guide to playing as Denmark. Its the hardest country I have played yet but enjoyable as there seems much to do.