Paradox Mods banning forum members for not breaking rules

[Ironside12]

Just a heads up that there are two specific forum moderators (had a dad and Mr Capitalist) who are banning members for speaking out against the current DLC.

There have been numerous bans over this- as it is considered "trolling".

My own post that was given a violation stated that the DLC was lackluster and not worth the money- and as such should not be bought, and urged all those who are complaining about it to vote with their wallet.

Not to mention I got a previous infraction from Mr Capitalist for "Commenting on moderator decisions" because they're final- where all I said was "Yeah this thread is gonna be shut down" as it started a conversation about banned forum topics. Meanwhile there's a thread outrightly calling PDX North Korea for their censorship.. so you can call out the censorship but can't predict that a rule-breaking thread will be closed... lol

I've been banned for a few days due to a CK2 thread where I mentioned that your child could be r-tarded- so sometimes different succession laws are better.. which is fair enough if ♥♥♥♥♥♥ is a banned word- but the other crap is just stupid.

Paradox forum support have been emailed in regard to this issue.

I say again: Golden Century is lackluster, lazy work and is barely an Iberian "immersion" pack. Most content applies to more of the world.

[bri]

mccartneyconnor280님이 먼저 게시:

Besides, people have a right to post whatever they want on these forums as long as they contain something with the game itself. Banning those posts is kinda like media censorship, which is actually illegal in the United States by the bill of rights in the Constitution.

Your education is clearly lacking.

Media can be censored in the United States, it just can't be done by the congress/government. If a higher-up at a media company tells a reporter not to write/post/report on something and then fires them when they do it will be ruled a legal firing with cause in the vast majority of cases (whistle blowing on corporate misdeeds covered by the "whistle blowers act" is pretty much the only exception).

As previously noted, internet forums are "owned" by whatever company provides the service and the owners can do whatever they like.

That said, I've been around the Paradox forums for nearly 15 years now and have never seen them toss out bans for "not breaking rules". Obviously I'm not privy to every deleted post that resulted in a ban but I have seen numerous non-deleted posts that I personally would have had a hard time not deleting if I was a mod. I don't particularly like the recent rule change making things like posting steam charts violations but I'd be pretty surprised if the OP's troublesome posts were just " stated that the DLC was lackluster and not worth the money- and as such should not be bought, and urged all those who are complaining about it to vote with their wallet". I would guess the language used was far more colorful...

[Despiser]

Doesn’t seem to have deterred you much

[Lantians]

Had A Dad and Mr Capiatlist (not Capitalist) are an absolute plague in the forums.

They are unreasonable, condescending, power-crazed, and actively troll people they dislike.

One example: Had A Dad actually started an argument with me, baiting me, and then banned me for responding to someone else who had made an off-hand reference about a moderator action.

He defended banning me by telling the head moderator that I was actually 'off-topic' and that he had warned me and others that we were off-topic.

The topic? Religion in Imperator: Rome.

Why did he say he banned me?
"Commenting" on moderator action and for being 'off topic'.

How was I off topic?

I was discussing how the Christian religion could be modeled in Imperator: Rome on the Dev Diary about religion in Imperator: Rome.

In the thread he had actually been baited me, posting condescending arguments, and when I didn't take the bait, banned me anyway for responding to someone else who had 'broken' a rule.

Furthermore, bans often result in 'probation' status, which moderators know you will get if they take action.

Probation status also restricts users from the tech support and mod forums, which are gained via purchase of the relevant product.

I contacted the Swedish consumer protection agency about this, but there are no laws in Sweden protecting digital purchased from fraud.

[Lightsong]

I'm commenting without reading the thread.

To them it is trolling. You're not helping with suggestions or anyhting and you're literally discouraging people from purchasing one of their products, not in a "i don't recommend this dlc in the current state", but "unite against the company and use your wallets against them!!". Honestly, what did you expect?

[Frolix]

I have seen some people get moderated, but overwhelmingly they deserved it.

I have seen people expressing their disappointment in the Spain DLC by spamming threads, attempting to drown out other opinions and flaming at other people. It's not censorship when dozens of threads about the same topic (DLC disappointment) are merged. It's not censorship when someone gets reprimanded for posting their anger and frustration and then starts abusing Paradox staff.

IMO PDS is generally receptive to criticism, but not from a lynch mob that demands the right to screech out their unhelpful and unfocused rage.

Psychotic Fury님이 먼저 게시:

Find something else to complain about, these threads about dlc are stupid. Same **** everytime. Dont like it, dont buy it, no need to cry a river about it.

Well put.

[bri]

The EU IV forum moderation seems pretty reasonable to me, if you want to see some heavy-handed moderation and banning for trivialities roll over to the Stellaris forum...

[Midgard]

Psychotic Fury님이 먼저 게시:

Find something else to complain about, these threads about dlc are stupid. Same **** everytime. Dont like it, dont buy it, no need to cry a river about it.

And how would you know if a DLC is any good? There´s no way to know, as far as i know, if a DLC is good or not before you buy it. I bought into a lot of hype about EU 4 overall. Still what´s one persons cup of teas isnt another persons so i wont go and bash Paradox in every thread there is. Still i want to be able to speak my mind about a product one or two times since i believe it´s my right to comment on something i put down a fair amount of money in. All in moderation though of course and in line.

[Mr.M]

skogtobias255님이 먼저 게시:

Psychotic Fury님이 먼저 게시:

Find something else to complain about, these threads about dlc are stupid. Same **** everytime. Dont like it, dont buy it, no need to cry a river about it.

And how would you know if a DLC is any good? There´s no way to know, as far as i know, if a DLC is good or not before you buy it.

*cough* Reviews *cough*

Exist for DLCs as well.

[Scrapper-Lock]

MrMonokel2000님이 먼저 게시:

*cough* Reviews *cough*

Exist for DLCs as well.

Except here on Steam, if a bunch of players post "off topic" comments about the DLC, which could, at Steam's discretion, including the price or dollar-per-content value of the item (since those things could be considered "unrelated to game play" much like DRM is), all the reviews saying not to buy it could end up being knocked out of the ratings based on the new policy here. Which means you could look on Steam, see "overwhelmingly positive" and think the reviews are better than they really are.

[grommile]

Lantians님이 먼저 게시:

I contacted the Swedish consumer protection agency about this, but there are no laws in Sweden protecting digital purchased from fraud.

I'm quite sure that Sweden has laws against actual fraud regarding online purchases.

It seems likely, though, that the Swedish (and most other countries') legal definition of "fraud" is narrower than yours.

[Lightsong]

Chessack님이 먼저 게시:

MrMonokel2000님이 먼저 게시:

*cough* Reviews *cough*

Exist for DLCs as well.

Except here on Steam, if a bunch of players post "off topic" comments about the DLC, which could, at Steam's discretion, including the price or dollar-per-content value of the item (since those things could be considered "unrelated to game play" much like DRM is), all the reviews saying not to buy it could end up being knocked out of the ratings based on the new policy here. Which means you could look on Steam, see "overwhelmingly positive" and think the reviews are better than they really are.

That's complete paranoia and considers the average purchaser an idiot. There are many places to look at reviews that are not steam

[Mr.M]

Chessack님이 먼저 게시:

MrMonokel2000님이 먼저 게시:

*cough* Reviews *cough*

Exist for DLCs as well.

Except here on Steam, if a bunch of players post "off topic" comments about the DLC, which could, at Steam's discretion, including the price or dollar-per-content value of the item (since those things could be considered "unrelated to game play" much like DRM is), all the reviews saying not to buy it could end up being knocked out of the ratings based on the new policy here. Which means you could look on Steam, see "overwhelmingly positive" and think the reviews are better than they really are.

Someone would have to post a really bad review to be put down with that logic tho. Typical Oneliners that one shouldnt look at anyway.

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