Sleepless in Seattle

[Tyler_Bence]

So I basically screwed up an awesome run just to get this achievement, and I'm still not able to move capital to Salish. I got 13 coffee producing provinces out of the required 10, I freed Leon as a vassal making the mistake of conquering land from Spain for them, but I still needed someone to give my provinces to, so I just sold them all of my provinces for 0 except Lisbon. I tried to move capital. Nothing. Then I noticed the Azores where still there and they might be considered part of Europe. Fine, got rid of those too. Still nothing. I get "We cannot move our capital to a colonial region, not while we still have a big heartland around it. Only when our caiptal is the only province in a state on that continent, will it be possible."
I'm however now given the chance to enact the decision "Flee to Brazil", which would turn me into Brazil and automatically move my capital. If I do that, should I finally be able to move my capital to Salish or is there another problem which would prevent me from doing so anyway?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1616079745

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Even before the new "need 51% of dev on other continent to move capital there" moving your capital to a colonial region wasn't that easy.

There were (and probably still are) two rules:
1) You can always move your capital to any other provinces on the same continent.
2) You cannot move your capital into a colonial region

The trick is that there are some provinces in America/Australia (so "part of the continent") that are not in a colonial region.
Examples are Bermuda, Falklands, South Georgia, Galapagos, Easter Island, Hawaii, Midway, New Caledonia, ...

Before the new "dev majority rule" you could move your capital there (as it is not "into a colonial region") and from there to America/Australia mainland (capital movement on same continent always possible).

[Tyler_Bence]

So what could I possibly do now? As you can see I already colonized South America consistently, can't say I own only 1 province there. What can I do?

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Try this (not tested in 1.28):
Conquer Bermuda (or colonize one province in Greenland) and move capital there (to get enough development in that continent develop and start as many colonies in North America as necessary (dev of non-finished colonies does count, dev of CNs probably not)). From there move capital to mainland America (either Salish directly (after conquered) or to someplace else before.

Edit: It does not matter that you already colonized much before, you need only one colonial region in which you don't have a CN (by not having colonized or by granting independence) and at least one core to which you can move your capital in the last step

[Tyler_Bence]

I tried the "Flee to Brazil" option for a change, also to see if that would allow me to do that now. Nobody colonized the Falklands yet, I might try that. I'm now Brazil, so I tried to at least move my capital around on the same continent, but I get the message that's impossible to change capital until there are rebels around. I'll resume the game shortly, see what I can do and update my post accordingly.

[bri]

Fleeing to Brazil will get you away from the hefty restrictions on moving your capital into a colonial region and stop any additional CNs from forming. You'll still run into the problems with moving to a different continent when you go to move to NA but those are a bit less of a pain.

As for what you'll have to do to go from SA to NA:

1) have >50% of your development be in NA (i.e. grab a lot of land in NA and/or dump your SA holdings)
2) have sufficient ADM points
3) have a fully cored & stated province in NA not controlled by an estate

[Tyler_Bence]

I had to recore any colonial province I had basically so I'm in a very bad spot right now. I could have achieved a lot more wasn't it for the restrictions this stupid achievement forces me to follow. If you have to resort to this kind of workaround, sounds like this moving capital thing is a little flawed, hope they decide to change it sometime in the future. Thanks so far for the info, I shall provide updates on the matter soon.

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[Mr.M]

Wow i am blind - there i thought you were Spain xD

Well, similar problem for Portugal. Unless you switch as early as possible without conquering anything it only gets harder and harder to switch capital.

Notes are:

1.Colonize only 4 provinces in each region to not spawn CNs
2.Planting colonizers on provinces make the provinces count towards development limit even if they arent fully colonized
3.Uncored provinces count too, conquering provinces from CNs of other nations dont give overextension and if you dont have a CN in that region you keep the provinces until you cored em

You could actually still do it if you want by conquering La Plata and North America (NOT coring)

[Tyler_Bence]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Wow i am blind - there i thought you were Spain xD

Well, similar problem for Portugal. Unless you switch as early as possible without conquering anything it only gets harder and harder to switch capital.

Notes are:

1.Colonize only 4 provinces in each region to not spawn CNs
2.Planting colonizers on provinces make the provinces count towards development limit even if they arent fully colonized
3.Uncored provinces count too, conquering provinces from CNs of other nations dont give overextension and if you dont have a CN in that region you keep the provinces until you cored em

You could actually still do it if you want by conquering La Plata and North America (NOT coring)

So what would be the suggested course of action then? Just conquering without coring, moving capital to somewhere in La Plata and then again to Salish? That simple? Because as I said I did country tag to Brazil to see if that would allow me to move capital, so probably conquering stuff from La Plata won't amount to much in terms of achieving this stupid goal.

[tonypa]

Perhaps the achievement is suppose to be done by playing NA native.

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by Tyler_Bence:

So what would be the suggested course of action then? Just conquering without coring, moving capital to somewhere in La Plata and then again to Salish? That simple? Because as I said I did country tag to Brazil to see if that would allow me to move capital, so probably conquering stuff from La Plata won't amount to much in terms of achieving this stupid goal.

It was already said above, once you reached 51% development in America you move capital into a province of a state that is in America but not part of a Colonial Region

The closest and easiest being Bermuda. Once your capital is in America you can freely change capital into any other province

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by tonypa:

Perhaps the achievement is suppose to be done by playing NA native.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1617599516

Like Aztecs? ;p

Well, it is easier and faster done as a colonizer - tho you either have to butcher yourself as Castille and England or actively go for the achievement and dont conquer much as Portugal.

[tonypa]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Like Aztecs? ;p

Was thinking Shoshone or Pueblo.

[bri]

England wasn't so bad (use Mann to get around the heartland thing before annexing Scotland). It would be a little bit worse now since the threshold for going to America is higher (50+% dev vs 1/3 provinces) but likely still doable with proper care, use of vassals, etc..

[Lepricon69]

I achieved Sleepless in Seattle and as Holy Roman Empire. I conquered Duwamish from Portuguese Cascadia, stated it and developed it high enough to reduce the cost of moving capital. Then, I released all big nations in Europe as vassals and force-fed the rest of provinces to any vassal, who would take them. My capital Wien was left as the only stated province in Europe, which allowed me to move my capital to the new world. This took some handwork, but it took me like 5 min to get it done, once everything else was under control.