what to do with burgundy as austria?

[AggroBuLLeT]

im playing austria and i inherited burguny through an event. but im not sure what to do with it.
should i keep all the land? should i release lots of small nations so i get more HRE points? or should i release burgundy itself and get a strong vassal / buffer against france.

the trade power i get from the english channel is great, but at some point the dutch revolt if remember correctly. does releasing holland and flanders prevent that?

in any case im not sure what to do with the burgundy land.

[tonypa]

Just went through the Low Countries revolt code yesterday for the wiki:
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Burgundian_events#Burgundian_events_regarding_Low_Countries

You can avoid all of the nasty revolts by keeping them as your vassal.

Or if you really want to own the land directly you need to move your capital into Low Countries region, or change primary culture to Dutch or Flemish.

[football5680]

If your goal is to Revoke The Privilegia or form the HRE, then I would probably say you should release as many small nations as you can, but the year that you got the Burgundian Inheritance in would also be a factor. If you got it really early in your game, then I would definitely just release as many small nations as possible so you can increase the amount of imperial authority you gain. If you got the inheritance later, like around 1500 when the Protestant reformation fires or is really close to firing, then you might want to hold onto the land because heretic princes destroy imperial authority and it would be difficult for you to control them.

[Marcos_DS]

Burgundies lands are rich and free (i hope you also got lowlands - holland, brabant and flanders) of AE. I would keep them directly, maybe even move your main trade node to the english channel. When the revolts events happen, just give them autonomy (and give the lands to the merchant guilds so trade is not affected by autonomy level). You will also have a much easier time containing french involvement in the HRE

[tonypa]

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

unless i can release nations without them being my vassals somehow?

If you have Common Sense DLC you can use "return province". Click on the province you own, and if other country has claim on the province there will be return province button next to add/remove province to HRE. If the nation you are returning province to does not exist, you are releasing new one-province country. Costs prestige.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

hm ok thx all. i think i will keep the lands. i tried to release lots of small nations but then i realized i can only release them as vassals. and that would be WAY over my diplo limit.
unless i can release nations without them being my vassals somehow?

You can release nations as vassals and then "Break Vassalization" (Diplomatic action) at the cost of prestige and opinion.

[CyPunk]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

hm ok thx all. i think i will keep the lands. i tried to release lots of small nations but then i realized i can only release them as vassals. and that would be WAY over my diplo limit.
unless i can release nations without them being my vassals somehow?

You can release nations as vassals and then "Break Vassalization" (Diplomatic action) at the cost of prestige and opinion.

You cannot break vassalization though while you have a truce, and releasing a vassal creates a truce with them. Five years I think. Pretty sure this always applies, but maybe there are exceptions?

[CyPunk]

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

hmm ok i will think about it. obviously keeping all the lands for myself is best. but i dont like the border gore, and i want HRE points. and im kinda roleplaying. so still not sure what to do. i will think about it. i think im waiting till the religious wars start / are over. then i will release lots of small nations.

To do best in the HRE, you will need to learn to love border gore. Having little enclaves bording as many HRE minors as possible maximizes you ability to "warn" them and get CBs up when needed. I feel like you, but got used to it. I personally like to get to the point where all the HRE princes are enclaves in my nation though. Less chance they attack eachother then.

FYI this return province feature can be a bit odd. I wanted to return a province to create Kiev, but it would only let me return it to Lithuania, then a bit later it would let me return it and create Kiev. This is mainly an issue when taking land in a peace deal for the purpose of creating new HRE princes; can be hard to determine who the province will be returned to. I allow myself save scumming in these cases tbh.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by Forschungsfüchse:

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

You can release nations as vassals and then "Break Vassalization" (Diplomatic action) at the cost of prestige and opinion.

You cannot break vassalization though while you have a truce, and releasing a vassal creates a truce with them. Five years I think. Pretty sure this always applies, but maybe there are exceptions?

True.
But if you plan ahead and have a good Diplo ruler you can probably afford being over relationship limit for the duration of the truce. (And/Or do it one or two vassals at a time)

[football5680]

Originally posted by AggroBuLLeT:

hm ok thx all. i think i will keep the lands. i tried to release lots of small nations but then i realized i can only release them as vassals. and that would be WAY over my diplo limit.
unless i can release nations without them being my vassals somehow?

You can do it through a peace deal. If you 100% another nation in a war, then they have to accept whatever you want even if you are the one offering the tribute to them. A better situation to use it in would be to seperate peace another nation that you do not want to fight out of a war. So lets say you want to retake Holstein from Denmark and they are allied with France. You can declare war on Denmark, France will be called in and then you can just peace France out by offering to release a bunch of nations. This doesn't work in all cases though because sometimes they don't want you to release anything so you will need to be ready to fight just in case.