Mod to make allies transfer Occupation of land?

[ENGLISHNAME]

I don't like how during a war, my allies can just claim land I clearly wanted. Any mod to fix this? Or planned feature?

[♠.brT]

never heard of a mod that does that, if you are not playing ironman you could use the console command to play as the AI and then change it that way (you gonna need art of war to be able to transfer occupation to another nation though)

[tonypa]

Art of War DLC makes allies transfer occupation.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by ♠.brT:

never heard of a mod that does that, if you are not playing ironman you could use the console command to play as the AI and then change it that way (you gonna need art of war to be able to transfer occupation to another nation though)

If you are not playing Ironman and use the console you can use it to directly change province occupier with the control <id> command.


But yes, with Art of War or Cossacks DLCs allies will transfer occupations to you IF they don't want them for themselves.

[bri]

Originally posted by tonypa:

Art of War DLC makes allies transfer occupation.

No, it allows them to do so, it doesn't force the issue. When it is available they will usually transfer land they occupy to a nation involved in the war that has declared an interest in it (if Cossacks in play) or has a core/claim (no Cossacks). Otherwise they'll maintain or transfer to the war leader. If they want the land themself they'll never transfer it.

In all cases the best solution is to control the siege for any territory you want to take yourself though.

[Black_Rat]

If it is your war and you declare the lands you want before hand they will hand over any lands in that area, unless they have a core on it.

[pmpdadypenguinmn]

if you set the land as vital interest they will transfer it unless they view it as vital interest themselves

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by Black_Rat:

If it is your war and you declare the lands you want before hand they will hand over any lands in that area, unless they have a core on it.

Originally posted by pmpdadypenguinmn:

if you set the land as vital interest they will transfer it unless they view it as vital interest themselves

Yes, unless they have a core, claim or set it as Vital Interest themselves.

On the other hand they will transfer occupations to you if it is their war and you have a core/claim/vital interest (and they do not).

[ENGLISHNAME]

So no offense, but my bad I guess I didn't make my question clear enough:

ONCE my war allies have occupied it, is there anyway to get it to be mine? Besides the enemy taking it then me taking it?

[kaiyl_kariashi]

no.

If your ally wants it, they will never give it to you, no matter what features you have or don't have.


Because they aren't in that war to help you. They're in that war to help themselves, ALWAYS.

It just sometimes works in your favor too.


Way back in the day, they used to be borderline selfless in destroying themselves for you and your goals, but apparently Paradox took offense at Arumba treating them like retarded suicidally loyal dogs, and reprogrammed them to be a lot more selfish and player-like in how they approch working together.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

The only chance you have (and it is heavily/only dependent on luck):
Hope for
- enemy armies to unsiege the province and siege it yourself (which you already mentioned above)
- rebels to occupy the province your ally had occupied and siege it yourself

[pmpdadypenguinmn]

Originally posted by ENGLISHNAME:

So no offense, but my bad I guess I didn't make my question clear enough:

ONCE my war allies have occupied it, is there anyway to get it to be mine? Besides the enemy taking it then me taking it?

I've had war allies occupy land and take the occupation themselves. Once I set the province to vital interest they gave me the occupation. They just wont turn it over if they want it themselves

[tonypa]

Just pointing out that setting province as Vital Interest requires The Cossacks DLC. Even with it, if your ally wants the province, there is no way to get it from them.

[Fantastic Fwoosh]

Originally posted by tonypa:

Art of War DLC makes allies transfer occupation.

@tonypa as a correction, this applies to by default giving occupied land to the war leader unless of course a more direct claim comes along through the mechanic that Art of War introduced to allow to cede occupation.

If the land is adjacent or they have claims on some or all of the land, they will not transfer to the war leader (usually you) meaning you have to arrive there first, if you're junior/allied party of someone else's war and already have claims on a area the AI is not interested in, the odds of you being granted a province or more depending on how totally won it is and the staked interest of the AI to gain the war-goal are more likely, else they will likely ignore you or flip/release cores only.

[tonypa]

Originally posted by Fantastic Fwoosh:

Originally posted by tonypa:

Art of War DLC makes allies transfer occupation.

@tonypa as a correction, this applies to by default giving occupied land to the war leader unless of course a more direct claim comes along through the mechanic that Art of War introduced to allow to cede occupation.

If the land is adjacent or they have claims on some or all of the land, they will not transfer to the war leader (usually you) meaning you have to arrive there first, if you're junior/allied party of someone else's war and already have claims on a area the AI is not interested in, the odds of you being granted a province or more depending on how totally won it is and the staked interest of the AI to gain the war-goal are more likely, else they will likely ignore you or flip/release cores only.

Yep, well explained.

I expect it to work same way in base game with 1.28.1 change too.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

With the upcoming 1.28.1 change this is moot anyway but for now (according to the wiki) "Transfer Occupations" is part of Art of War AND also included in Cossacks.

Poor Cossacks, first Estates, now Transfer Occupation ...