Ottomans and Artillery

[ntown66]

Okay can we please make the ottomans less overpowered for a change. I am tired of seeing "the great blob" every single game with its absurd military power. Also can we remove the unrealistic emphasis on artillery. Every country with a reasonable economy is out here acting like they are Napoleon with half their military consisting of cannons. I mean if we going historical here, Napoleon didn't even like having so many cannons and the only reason he used so many was because he lost much of his infantry invading Russia.

But for real guys. Having a ton of artillery in the 1500s when Napoleon made cannons popular in the 1800s is rediculous. At least try to keep it somewhat similar.

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by ntown66:

Keep in mind that I'm not advocating a massive nerf for cannons. I just want the game to contain more viable strategies than what is given right now. All Paradox needs to do is make a couple small changes to how combat works.

And then when those changes are implemented, more noobs will complain about ottomans being incredibly strong. I have easily surpassed the ottomans in army size dozens of times, and I have beaten them in war easily. You guys just need to git gud.

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by Azazel:

Originally posted by too fiery:

i haven't noticed ottos take quantity in a very long time, so if they are banned from that idea then i think its good

they do take quantity,seen 3,4 days ago

Yes, ban a core idea of eu4 cause you cannot compete. If you want to beat the ottomans by complaining, then go to very easy and play there. I used to do that because I used to suck. Now I do not. Now I play on normal. You need to learn that Paradox will not bend over backwards because you squeal like a pig about your own skills. I HAVE EASILY BEATEN THE OTTOS before. git gud.

[brian_va]

Originally posted by mccartneyconnor280:

you need to learn that Paradox will not bend over backwards because you squeal like a pig

to be fair, they have been nerfed many times due to people crying.

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by brian_va:

Originally posted by mccartneyconnor280:

you need to learn that Paradox will not bend over backwards because you squeal like a pig

to be fair, they have been nerfed many times due to people crying.

They have never gotten rid of a core Idea before. They literally want to get rid of the Quantity ideas because they think ottos are overpowered, even though they have been nerfed plenty. It is sad that people would rather have it easier than harder.

When one plays eu4, they generally get frustrated at anyone foolish enough to challenge the player. This is exactly that, except the ottomans aren't foolish. And when you mention strategic alliances... sice you wanna get all historical about cannons, what war in the early modern period did not have strategic alliances? This may not be napoleon times, but it also isn't ancient Rome either. No two nations are going to slam it out without allies.

If you aren't the best at the game, make use of people who hate your rival's guts and profit off of that. Eu4 has some polkitics in it, betrayal, rivalries, and alliances. Make sure you understand this.

And when you mention cannons, just get quality or defensive, and watch their bonuses melt away. When one has to many cannons, they are vulnerable to flanking. Top that with an OP army and you have an ineffective enemy.


And when you mention removing Quantity... jeez. Maybe we should remove trade ideas to, because of the ottoman's great trade system, or just simply remove all their bonuses, devershime, jannisaries, and everything that makes them ottomans. The guns of Urban, their OP army, their claims, all of this makes the Ottomans the Ottomans. Yes, Eu4 should be balanced, but it is also a game based on HISTORY. The Ottomans were HISTORICALLY a well oiled war machine.


And this brings me to my point. Eu4 is like a puzzle, or like a combination lock. You have to add the right variables in, Strategic Alliances, a well kept economy, a good army, and when all of those are together, the lock pops open and the locker to great glory and riches await you.


Just know that the lock won't magically unlock itself. YOU have to put the work in. You have to understand that Eu4 will not be easy. YOU have to understand timing and patience. Then the world will be yours.

[brian_va]

im hoping that since there is a new achievement in dharma where you have to blob from india to beat prussia that they have increased the odds of prussia forming. imagine pushing into europe in the 1600s with a prussia, russia with third rome and the ottomans. throw in a decent france or spain and that sounds like fun to me.

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by brian_va:

im hoping that since there is a new achievement in dharma where you have to blob from india to beat prussia that they have increased the odds of prussia forming. imagine pushing into europe in the 1600s with a prussia, russia with third rome and the ottomans. throw in a decent france or spain and that sounds like fun to me.

same. I am playing an Inca game right now. Europe just arrived. Wish me luck, although the smallpox came...

[brian_va]

avaria for the achievement into persia. take 4 so far, imagine a couple more incoming.

[DankDansk]

cool

[ntown66]

[/quote] When one plays eu4, they generally get frustrated at anyone foolish enough to challenge the player. This is exactly that, except the ottomans aren't foolish. And when you mention strategic alliances... sice you wanna get all historical about cannons, what war in the early modern period did not have strategic alliances? This may not be napoleon times, but it also isn't ancient Rome either. No two nations are going to slam it out without allies. [/quote]

I don't think anyone was complaining about alliances. You may need to go back and read the comments again.

[ntown66]

For me, I usually play EU countries so the Ottomans don't come into direct conflict too often. I am just stating from an observer. I did play as the Mamluks one time and it didn't work out too well for me. I usually stick with England, Spain, Austria, and Russia. Sometimes I venture out and play in Asia with countries like Ming and Korea.

[brian_va]

Perhaps it's time to get out of your comfort zone a little bit

[DankDansk]

Originally posted by ntown66:

@mccartneyconnor The key word is "most" and the ottomans aren't part of that group. At around tech 10 the ottomans already had 13,000 cannons and a total military strength 70,000. That was with the Ottomans only controlling what is the equivalent of modern day Turkey and Greece. Usually the Ottomans are already controlling large swaths of Mamluk territory by tech 10. It was only because of strategic alliances that the Ottomans were temporarily contained. No other country in the game was even close to what they had. Think about that, the Ottomans are contained and stalled from their usual progress point and they are still powerful. Most other major countries would be in trouble if they get stalled like that.

[DankDansk]

{Quote It was only because of strategic alliances that the ottomans were contained Quote}

Should we remove Alliances from the game as well? Surely they are to powerful and must be nerfed, since they can contain the Ottomans.

[ntown66]

Originally posted by mccartneyconnor280:

{Quote It was only because of strategic alliances that the ottomans were contained Quote}

Should we remove Alliances from the game as well? Surely they are to powerful and must be nerfed, since they can contain the Ottomans.

Read the whole quote. It uses words like temporarily and stalled. No where does it say that the alliances stopped the Ottomans.

[DankDansk]

And on top of that, you specifically state that the Ottomans are OP and should be nerfed, BUT WAIT!!! If alliances can temporarily contain the Ottomans, then Alliances must be OP as well. And so should the Mughals, Because they are definitely OP, as well as Ming and Qing...


It is all about perspective. If you think that Ottomans are to OP, then play on an easier difficulty. I personally believe that the ottomans can be beat. You just have to work towards it. If people can beat Ottomans as Byzantium, then you can beat the Ottomans as most other countries. Just play the game well.


Well, we must have nerf Byzantium as well, because they can beat Ottomans.