Forming the Roman Empire as Austrian Emperor

[astrofireball]

I have played as Austria and I have revoked the privilegia. After conquering what seemed to be all the provinces needed, it seems that I cannot find the decision to form the Roman Empire. Do you happen to know why? Which provinces in Britain do I need besides London and York? (eveywhere I looked it's Yorkshire, so I conquered all provinces in the area for good measure).

I really wanted the Mare Nostrum achievement :/ Thanks a lot for the help guys!

[Yaldabaoth]

You need to actually own the provinces and can not be the Holy Roman Empire. You have to annex all your vassals. Good luck.
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Roman_Empire

[astrofireball]

Thanks for the reply - but I am not HRE, I am just the emperor. I thought that I means that cannot enact the last reform only and still be eligible.

[Erik_Rex]

"Any Christian or Pagan nation other than the Holy Roman Empire or the Papal State can restore the Roman Empire by decision after re-conquering most of the historical Empire."

guess this is the line you need to pay atention to. that could mean that you can't be a part of the HRE, but I am not really sure. though it seems to refere to beeing the nation of HRE I guess

[tonypa]

If you hover cursor over the achievement requirement icon it will mark all the missing provinces on the map with purple border.

[PJ]

To my knowledge, you cannot form ANY Empire while you are an HRE member. So, what you can do is either form the HRE and tag switch to any German nation, then form the Roman Empire. Or, you can dissolve the HRE, then form the Roman Empire.

[tonypa]

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Roman_Empire

To form Roman Empire you can not be Papal State or the Holy Roman Empire (the country, not HRE system). Just have to be Christian or Pagan and own the required provinces.

Roman Empire will remove all it's provinces from HRE once formed.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Do you have the decision available and just cannot enact it? Or does the decision does not show up at all?

If the latter something is wrong.
If the former it should tell you what is missing.

Easy to overlook are the Canarian Islands, Madeira and the Azores. They are part of the Iberia region and therefore needed for the formation.


As already mentioned: Being an HRE member or even the Emperor does not prevent forming the Roman Empire.

[astrofireball]

@Tulduil - I just don't see it at all. It should be a decision like every other, right? Hovering over the Mare Nostrum achievement does show that I have all the required provinces (or my HRE vassals have them), except for the 'Is Roman Empire'.

@Jolin - I'm afraid that I can't dissolve the HRE at this stage. Also, since it's already 1810, I guess there is no time to switch to a German nation (dow do you even do that in this situation)?

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

As far as I know the decision should show up if you are (any) Christian or Pagan AND own Rome (no matter how many/which other provinces you own).

And just a side note: Roman Empire requires different provinces then Mare Nostrum Achievement.
The Achievement requires some provinces not needed for the Formation of the Empire and once you formed Rome you can (theoretically) get rid of many provinces and still get the achievement.


Could you provide screenshots of a) the Decisions/Policies tab and b) the political or diplomatic mapmode of Europe?

[astrofireball]

@Tulduil - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1497425143 (after annexing all vassals except for Rome) and the other two you asked for:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1497425092

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1497425057

I guess that 'is not HRE' really means also 'is not emperor of HRE' :/

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

As far as I know the decision should show up if you are (any) Christian or Pagan AND own Rome (no matter how many/which other provinces you own).

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As I said: The decision ONLY shows if you are correct religion AND own the province of Rome directly (not by subject) and maybe have it cored (not sure about the last part).

So you just need to conquer Rome/annex whoever owns Rome and then the decision will show up.


Edit: Just to clarify: Even after the decision appears you can only form the Roman Empire if you directly own all required provinces. I assume you integrated all Italian Nations in the three years between the screenshots (Italy is hidden by the achievement window) as you need to directly own Italy.

[astrofireball]

@Tulduil - Then I have my hands tied - After disallowing internal HRE wars I cannot declare war on Rome, nor vassalize it. It is part of the empire, but not my vassal, and I can't do a thing about it. Unless.... I declare war on one of its allies and then annex it when it answers the call to war :)

I'll try that and keep you posted. I have 5 years left.

[astrofireball]

Ha! I made it! :) With only a few months to spare :) I had to improve the relations, after annexing Rome I had a -200 relations penalty with my vassals. Fortunately with Austria I already had +18 diplomatic reputation, so actually annexing the last 5 vassals I needed took only a few months.

The problem was that you must have direct control of all provinces in order to be able to enact the decision.

Thanks for the answers! :)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1497696352

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Congratulations!

If you are missing the achievement you can now pass the last HRE reform (which is normally not worth it earlier in the game).

Originally posted by astrofireball:

The problem was that you must have direct control of all provinces in order to be able to enact the decision.

Yes, all country formation decisions which requires provinces (so probably all of them) require that you own the provinces directly. (Only (half) exception I can think of: Golden Horde: You have to own some provinces and you or your subjects have to own some other provinces)

Furthermore, all country formation decisions have conditions without them fulfilled they don't show up in the decision list. These conditions are usually different from the actual requirements to form the nation and can be "be of specific religion", "be of/in specific culture (group), "own provinces", ....
E.g. here:
Conditions to show up: right religion and own Rome
Requirements: many more provinces