MING QUESTION

[The Eye]

So today I had an excellent idea. I would start as Ming. Snake my way over to Timmies. Take a bunch of land. de-state the Ming states. state the timmies ones I took, culture shift to them. form the Mughals, then restate. the Idea would be with the Ming Government I would have religion harmonized, and with the Mughals ideas I would harmonize the all cultures too. however; once I got over there and looked further I can't seem to culture shift. Is it not possible to culture shift as Ming? if it is what am I missing?

[Mr.M]

Its called Minghals, and that idea is quite old actually.

Not possible anymore. Ming is an endgame tag.

[The Eye]

thanks for the tag name ;) . as for the plan.... dang back to the drawing board

[Azoniar]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Its called Minghals, and that idea is quite old actually.

Not possible anymore. Ming is an endgame tag.

So is it not possible to form Manchu or Qing either now?

[tonypa]

Originally posted by Azoniar:

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Its called Minghals, and that idea is quite old actually.

Not possible anymore. Ming is an endgame tag.

So is it not possible to form Manchu or Qing either now?

Not as Ming, no, or any other end-game tag:
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Formable_countries#End-game_tags

You can of course form Manchu >> Qing from the manchu tribes

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by The Gaming Goblin:

So today I had an excellent idea. I would start as Ming. Snake my way over to Timmies. Take a bunch of land. de-state the Ming states. state the timmies ones I took, culture shift to them. form the Mughals, then restate. the Idea would be with the Ming Government I would have religion harmonized, and with the Mughals ideas I would harmonize the all cultures too. however; once I got over there and looked further I can't seem to culture shift. Is it not possible to culture shift as Ming? if it is what am I missing?

If you want Mughals culture assimilation and harmonize all religions there is no reson to start as Ming.
Just form Mughal as any country which can form them and then convert to Confucian.
If it is worth it is another question.

[salatrin]

I think the easiest way for the OP to do what he wants(and i use the word easiest quite loosely as its not exactly easy and can be time consuming but nonetheless) is to start off as Chagatai ( they are both Sunni and Kyrgyz culture which both fit the potential requirements for the Mughals while also being the best force probably to do this since they are in a perfect position to go into China, and India at will) , then become a tributary of Ming and then wait for them to make Oirat a tributary, then storm through Oirat/Mongolia and the Manchu tribes till you reach 300 dev. then wait for Ming to enact its first reform dropping their mandate. and probably pick up Humanist idea group to lower the damage of your religious unity.

Then start refusing tributes till Ming breaks you off (can break it yourself but why take the stab hit) and then just let the countdown tick up for the Nomad Frontier disaster to hit Ming, then once it does, try to get a few vassalsto help you in the impending war with Ming and then let the war drag out till they Mingsplode.

Once the Mingsplosion happens you can then release Oirat/Mongolia/The Manchu tribes as vassals as desired (to give you more firepower when invading India and/or China) and start picking off the chinese sublords to gain some confucian provinces then immediately make your way into India to take what you need to form the Mughals and by then you should have a fair amount of Confucian provinces at your disposal to make converting to confucian easier while still having a somewhat decent Religious Unity when you do convert, at least until you can Harmonize the Muslim religion group as once that is done, your set.

[The Eye]

the whole idea behind this was to not have to take Religius or huminist yet have a one tag, one culture,one faith WC run. all WC I have tried or watched on Youtube, have all take one if not both of those ideas. Was trying to do the same thing, without having to take those.

I know not really a one culture one faith run... but since they are fully accepted.... kinda does it. It is just looking like I have to just figue out the way to get the most points and cash to convert everything. just so time consuming.

[The Eye]

I know this may be cheesy.. but what doe people think about the ide of this.... start as ming. release largest vassle possible. give vassle all provences possible to them. somehow switch to the vassal. then do original plan. wonder if that would work

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by The Gaming Goblin:

I know this may be cheesy.. but what doe people think about the ide of this.... start as ming. release largest vassle possible. give vassle all provences possible to them. somehow switch to the vassal. then do original plan. wonder if that would work

I would rather just start as Manchu and instead conquer whole Ming.

Since Hordes are bugged this patch it would probably the easiest to do One Culture WC - for One Faith you would have to switch off Tengri

Also note that Confucianism and Mughals both accept other Religions/Cultures - they do not change them. So technically it aint a One Faith/One Culture, you just lose the penalties of those religions/cultures.

[The Eye]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

Also note that Confucianism and Mughals both accept other Religions/Cultures - they do not change them. So technically it aint a One Faith/One Culture, you just lose the penalties of those religions/cultures.

ya, I know But my mind set would be thinking " not OFFICIALY changed, but accepted", so like you said the penalties would not apply meaning I would not need Religous / humanist freeing them for other ideas