Money tips for Ottomans?

[Disco Turtle]

Not very good at this game, regardless of hours. Playing the Ottomans, and had a rough rough start (♥♥♥♥ Venice). Barly 1490s and Im not even half way to Eygpt.

Current money is an issue. With a 20-30k army, I make 1 duccet if lucky w/ army maintainence. (No navy, eighter)


Any idea ways to increase my cash flow? Every I go im getting ♥♥♥♥ blocked, and expansion had been dissapointing

[Mañana]

Post screenshots. I'm myself doing an ottoman run and I have absolutly no problem with cash

[Buaya Darat]

In my games, majority of the Ottoman income is via Trade. Here are some tips

a) With the starting 3 merchants, transfer the trade flow from the following nodes to Constantinople; Alexandria, Aleppo & Crimea.
b) Use light ships to increase your trade power in these nodes. Appox 75% to 80% is sufficient.
c) Select the Trade idea. I usually select Humanist followed by Trade.
d) Select policies that increase Trade Efficiency.
e) Select advisor that increase Trade Efficiency.
f) Build buildings that increase trade power. Usually focus on selected provinces.

Long term, try to control the trade from China to Constantinople via sea route. Good luck.

[Drakulas]

Personally I'd recommend economic ideas over trade idea. I've never found trade ideas to be useful. They give a boost to trade but that's all.
Economic ideas however boost your economy in many different ways. They improve production which in turn increases trade income, boost tax, reduce cost of buildings and army upkeep, reduce inflation, and most importantly, give a large 20% reduction to development.
Use that to develop the production in your provinces.

[Tasty Bunny]

Wow I can't even believe otto can run into money problem with it's dominance over constatntinople trade node :p

[Disco Turtle]

Originally posted by ZenithalLeagueT:

Wow I can't even believe otto can run into money problem with it's dominance over constatntinople trade node :p

Youd be amazed at what I can acomploish. Mostly bad things

[Rabob]

Originally posted by Drakulas:

Personally I'd recommend economic ideas over trade idea. I've never found trade ideas to be useful. They give a boost to trade but that's all.
Economic ideas however boost your economy in many different ways. They improve production which in turn increases trade income, boost tax, reduce cost of buildings and army upkeep, reduce inflation, and most importantly, give a large 20% reduction to development.
Use that to develop the production in your provinces.

Trade game is the best income for the long run though. However, economic gives a better policy with quality ideas. That being said, as Ottomans I would never start trade ideas though. Once you conquer Constantinople your money should be fine with the merchants placed right. Then start conquering all the trade nodes leading into constantinople.

A question, your army is not full mercs or something right?

[Disco Turtle]

Im slowly working on it. Had a rough war against venice who (forgot to check) brought a trade league that that allowed Mamlucks to eat my ass. Mamlucks then allied anything that moved, and ♥♥♥♥ on me in most of the wars. Loans are pricey af lol

One day

[Drakulas]

Not downtalking trade itself. Trade+production absolutely dominate when it comes to building an economy.
I've just personally never found the trade idea set to be very useful. Rather than directly improving trade I prefer to improve production which in turn increases trade income since a trade nodes value is determines by local production. Two birds, one stone.
I also just prefer some of the bonuses that economic ideas give that are otherwise harder to come by, like a permanent inflation reduction and development coat reduction.

[tonypa]

You need to look at your economy screen first, if you have been hiring too costly advisors or have armies full of mercs you will start to lose money no matter what ideas you pick.

[SmurfK]

"No navy", that's your problem, and that's why you lost against Venice too. If you think about units in terms of maintenance, then light ships are the best unit you can make. Not only that they negate their mainetance, but they end up doing profits too through protect/privateer. You might not make them to save money, but you are actually losing money because of it.

Then, you need to take into consideration your economy, and how is affected by constant wars. Overextension is the main problem, that lowers your trade power and raises your corruption. Add local unrest to that, and you have a sinking economy.

Also, by constantly having to make cores, you won't have enough Administrative Power for tech and ideas.

You should think about the long run. By the 1490s, you shouldn't be halfway through Egypt. There's no way you can do that and keep a good economy. By that time your focus should be around main trade nodes. Albania, Serbia (gold mine), your cores around The Black Sea, vassal Walachia.

You will have time for conquest in late game. In the last 50 years you can take more territories that you take all game until that point. People often make this mistake, by not realizing how things are evolving in the late game. Then you'll have cassus belis on everything, at any moment.

There's no need to rush. Don't take territories that you can't support early on. You can even go for war reparations or vassalizations instead of taking territories. That way you're building a strong economy that will help you more in the long run than territories.

[football5680]

Clear everybody out of the Constantinople trade node and money shouldn't be an issue. Post a screenshot of your game so that we can actually see what is going on.

[Sl3]

take ragusa, constantinople, venice , crimea trade nodes.

[Disco Turtle]

Mostly stabalized my economy. (10-20ish) w/ full maintainence.

I'll try to post some pics when my group gets together to play again


Thanks for all the tips

[Silentius]

One more little advice - take Kosovo from Serbia - gold there.