Lithuania’s PU mission on Muscovy

[theskyisfalling_]

Okay so Lithuania now gets a restoration of union CB on Muscovy but I am wondering:
If Muscovy forms Russia before you do this (and before you secure Novgorod) could you get the PU and then let them push east and later when you have enough provinces inherit them and get a lot of land

[tonypa]

Large countries can not be inherited since each province they have will decrease chance.

[theskyisfalling_]

Originally posted by tonypa:

Large countries can not be inherited since each province they have will decrease chance.

I mean integrate them late game because you can get more provinces than them then integrate

[tonypa]

Yes, you could integrate them, but again, with large countries it takes long time.

If by "push east" you mean Russias unique Siberian Frontier ability then I am not sure if they will use it under PU. I do not own Third Rome DLC, sorry.

[theskyisfalling_]

It’s all good (that’s what I meant) thanks for always being helpful in the forums

[[OCe]Kagari]

they can use siberian frontier even if you PUed them, only if they formed Russia first.

[theskyisfalling_]

Originally posted by OCeKagari:

they can use siberian frontier even if you PUed them, only if they formed Russia first.

That’s what I plan on doing but I’m wondering if them forming Russia gets rid of the tag for Muscovy and thus not making the mission the same mission

[pmpdadypenguinmn]

I have the same question if someone has an answer it would be awesome to know if the cb from the mission tree still works after they form russia.

[Lakortar]

Originally posted by pmpdadypenguinmn:

I have the same question if someone has an answer it would be awesome to know if the cb from the mission tree still works after they form russia.

According to the game files if Russia exists (no matter which country formed it) you will get the cb on them. If they don't exist and Muscovy exists you will get a cb on them instead. If neither country exists you will get permanent claims.

[radeus]

just checked it quickly (with console commands you can rush thru the mission three, the longest is waiting for the year 1450 on speed 5), it does not work.
1;If you take the mission to take the union over muscovy, and declare war and take the union russia can not form because they are a subject.
2; if you wait for them to become russia i lost the union CB because it was for muscovy.
3; i checked by declaring war with muscovy, and hoped if they could form russia during the war followed by a peacedeal in which you pu them as russia (does not work, they cannot form if russia in war).

so i see no option to get russia as a pu legit, only muscovy.

[Lakortar]

Originally posted by radeus:

just checked it quickly (with console commands you can rush thru the mission three, the longest is waiting for the year 1450 on speed 5), it does not work.
1;If you take the mission to take the union over muscovy, and declare war and take the union russia can not form because they are a subject.
2; if you wait for them to become russia i lost the union CB because it was for muscovy.
3; i checked by declaring war with muscovy, and hoped if they could form russia during the war followed by a peacedeal in which you pu them as russia (does not work, they cannot form if russia in war).

so i see no option to get russia as a pu legit, only muscovy.

You have to wait for Russia to form before fullfilling the mission

[radeus]

Originally posted by Lakortar:

Originally posted by radeus:

just checked it quickly (with console commands you can rush thru the mission three, the longest is waiting for the year 1450 on speed 5), it does not work.
1;If you take the mission to take the union over muscovy, and declare war and take the union russia can not form because they are a subject.
2; if you wait for them to become russia i lost the union CB because it was for muscovy.
3; i checked by declaring war with muscovy, and hoped if they could form russia during the war followed by a peacedeal in which you pu them as russia (does not work, they cannot form if russia in war).

so i see no option to get russia as a pu legit, only muscovy.

You have to wait for Russia to form before fullfilling the mission

confirmed, that works. nice! time for a good run soon then :)

[pmpdadypenguinmn]

Oh that's good to know. I'm in a lithuania run for the first time now and I have poland, bohemia, austria and muscovy all under PUs. But the thing that I'm not liking is muscovy staying put. I want them to colonize siberia and become a monster. I think my next game I'm going to start with lithuania again and wait til he forms russia. God that will be so damn OP