Tips to break Ming as Jianzhou

[RaMMbAdeDu]

Im allied with Korchin and Oirat. We unleashed some Horde Power to Ming. Fighting 2 Wars vs Ming. I have cuted into his Territory taking his Capital 2 Times.
And somehow Ming is able to spawn 51 Mercs and maintain them for 2 Years. In 2nd Peacedeal. i took War Reps( he pays me 7.5 Ducs now) and realeased 2 small Tributaries.
But I think its not enough........ He still seems preety Vital and even start to gain positive MoH Modifier again.....
And soon he has Mil Tech 6 too and i think he will rape me in the next War.......
Somehow i feel betrayed by Ming, how can the be that rich and so on.....

Dunno for sure, i mean my "Backup Plan" is- when they attack me i try to get a Tributary to them hopping i can keep some of his land, but i would prefer to see him explode.
So how does one kill Ming?????

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[Azazel]

eat up everybody around up to buriatia(incl. them),minimum half of korea and crush ming.did it so several times 6 month ago...dont know bout new patch..

[Damphair]

First of all, congrats on beating Ming on normal terms, that's quite a feat and not the typical strategy.

The easy way to crush Ming is to become his tributary and eat up your neighbours and form Manchu. When you have over 300 development and Ming has has less than 50 mandate, stop becoming his tributary. Within 10 years the 'Nomadic border' event will fire for Ming, giving him hugh instability effects and his mandate dropping fast. Declare war when he's between 20-0 mandate. Now you should have about 30 regiments in your army, and about 20 of them cavalry (Use Manchu Banners).

When Ming has 0 Imperial Mandate, he gets insane debuffs like 50%+ shock and fire damage received, 5+ unrest and 100% available mercenaries. Your army should carve his stacks of 60 like butter. Do not take the Mandate of Heaven in the peace deal, but use the casus belli since it gives you a very low cost for taking provinces. In the peace deal, you can take about 140% overextension since you'll raze all the provinces which will lead you to under 100%.

[Mr.M]

Tips on that run?

Restart.

You shouldnt attack Ming until around 1500 as Jianzhou > Manchu.

Why?

Because even IF you manage to win it is not worth it.

All your neighbours will be tributaries so you cant expand at all.

Rather eat everyone (even Korea) until you border Mongolia/Oirat (or even try to get to Uzbek) and then attack Ming when they made a reform (which drops their mandate to 30)

Thats the most efficient way to do it.

[RaMMbAdeDu]

yep thx for your help.
Learned it the hard way wasting this Game...
Attacked Haixi and i thought maybe Ming will not defend them.... but they did.

Dunno what i was thinking xD

But sometimes the Game lies, or am i wrong?
Once i attacked a Tributary, and it sayd "as Tributary it will be defended by Ming" but Ming didnt join.
And you see no "green" and "red" Signs for the Emperor of China defending their Tributaries.

[Mr.M]

They removed the red/green sign for some reason, not sure why.

And if they have high war exhaustion or rebels they wont join - tho one cant tell since the signs are gone.
+ if you are tributary yourself you can obviously attack others.

[hengepupper]

heres what i do
1. attack haixi and full annex if possible
2. attack korea with korchin
3. attack yeren
4. break alliance with korchin and attack them
5. get tech 6 before oirats and attack them
6. attack into chagatai and then break tributary on a tech where you have more military tech than ming (i had 9 and they had 8 mil tech)