Religious peace after winning league war?

[Daddy John]

Had something weird happen today. Playing as Reformed Netherlands, me and my allies won the League Wars. But all it did was trigger religious peace (ie everyone can now be emperor) instead of making Protestant the dominant faith.

Bug or just a weird game mechanic I don't understand?

[bri]

The leader of the protestant league has to select the peace treaty about making protestant the official religion for that to happen. If they win but don't specify or the war doesn't happen then you get the neutral version. If they lose Catholic stays the official language.

I think that's how it works anyway, I'm not a big fan of playing in the HRE...

[Daddy John]

So essentially I got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by dumb AI. Got it.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by bri:

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If they win but don't specify or the war doesn't happen then you get the neutral version.

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One correction:
If the war does not happen (Leagues formed or not), Catholicism eventually does become official faith.

The Peace of Westphalia only happens when
- the League War peace treaty does not include the Official Faith option
- the League War goes on for 25(?) years
- (not complete sure here) Erbkaisertum is passed before the Leagues form


I tried to become Elected as Anglican Britain and therefore had to force the Peace of Westphalia. If forming the Leagues but not Declaring the War would eventually lead to the PoW it would have been much less work and worries.

[mystafyi]

You can also get the peace of westphalia if enough time goes by without a league war starting.

[Psychotic Fury]

Originally posted by mystafyi:

You can also get the peace of westphalia if enough time goes by without a league war starting.

You sure? Doesnt catholic faith stay dominant if no war starts? Always stayed catholic in my games when no war happened.

Edit: upon readin the wiki it states that after 25years if no war has been started the emperor has a chance to retain catholic dominance. So im guessing that means it could go either way. Never had it fire personally like that though. Interesting.

[Mikey]

Originally posted by mystafyi:

You can also get the peace of westphalia if enough time goes by without a league war starting.

If the league war never happens the Catholics automatically win

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by mystafyi:

You can also get the peace of westphalia if enough time goes by without a league war starting.

From a logical/historical standpoint (may not mean much in a game):

The Empire start as de facto Catholic (of course, because there is nothing else) and historically all Emperors had to be approved by the Pope (at least theoretically and "approved" may be the wroing word) although this stopped some decades into the game and the following Emperors couldn't care less what the Pope said.
However, the Catholic tradition was still high and the legacy of "Defender of Faith", inherited from Charlemagne, still meant something, especially in light of the Habsburg Emperors and the Ottoman threat.

Now the Reformation happened.
In our history (or in the game if the leagues form and the war starts) the Protestants eventually challenged the "god given" right of the Catholics to rule. The Catholics (more or less) won the war before Outsiders (France) entered to prevent a too strong Emperor/Empire. Only after more years of war the Peace of Westphalia was signed in which Protestantism was officially acknowledged. In the following there were Protestant and Catholic Electors and Catholic Habsburgs stayed Emperor.

Now why should the Peace of Westphalia happen ingame when the de facto Catholic rule is never challenged/questioned (i.e. either no leagues form or leagues form but no declartation of war)?
There is no reason for a Catholic Emperor to weaken his position by allowing Protestant/Reformed/Anglican/Orthodox/Coptic Christians to become Elector or even Emperor if they don't force it.
Therefore he could (and would) of course change the de facto religion into a de jure religion which ingame is represented by the event "The Diet of CAPITAL" listed here:
https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Religious_league_events


Interestingly, there is the same event if there is a Protestant Emperor, reading "With the failure of the Catholic League to successfully challenge the Emperor, the Imperial Parliament has convened in a Diet to proclaim Protestantism as the sole confessional faith".
Can this even happen ingame????

[salatrin]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

Interestingly, there is the same event if there is a Protestant Emperor, reading "With the failure of the Catholic League to successfully challenge the Emperor, the Imperial Parliament has convened in a Diet to proclaim Protestantism as the sole confessional faith".
Can this even happen ingame????

Protestants cant be emperor without the war happening and if you ARE emperor when you become protestant, an election happens right away and you are stripped arent ya? so no, i dont see how that COULD even happen in game.

[Raider Deci]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

Now the Reformation happened.
In our history (or in the game if the leagues form and the war starts) the Protestants eventually challenged the "god given" right of the Catholics to rule. The Catholics (more or less) won the war before Outsiders (France) entered to prevent a too strong Emperor/Empire. Only after more years of war the Peace of Westphalia was signed in which Protestantism was officially acknowledged. In the following there were Protestant and Catholic Electors and Catholic Habsburgs stayed Emperor.

Well the former protestant-states performed like absolute ♥♥♥♥♥. But in step Sweden and kicked austrians balls all the way back to Vienna in the Battle of Breintenfeld, problaby was the big turning point of that war.