Europa Universalis IV

Europa Universalis IV

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Stop with the DLC
This is undoubtedly my favourite game of all time, so its sad to see the publishers try to bend us over time and time again and shove their DLC up our collective asses. Most of what is released in these packs are just changes that other games would include in patches. Ive spent too much money on this game already and just cant afford to keep shelling out, but it keeps getting released, pack after pack after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pack... please just calm down and release your ♥♥♥♥ in one big pack and stop being so greedy with the pricing. It stops you from enjoying the game when you know another 'paid patch' will release soon and change everything up.
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[CiC]Siege Jul 21, 2018 @ 4:20am 
Originally posted by CaptainChronic:
This is undoubtedly my favourite game of all time, so its sad to see the *users on steam forum* try to bend us over time and time again and shove their *anti DLC topics* up our collective asses. Most of what is released in these *topics* are just *things* that other *users* would include in *previous topics*. Ive spent too much *time* on this *forum* already and just cant afford to keep *pointing this* out, but it keeps getting re*posted*, *post* after *post* after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ *post*... please just calm down and release your ♥♥♥♥ in one big *post* and stop being so *spammy* with the *posting*. It stops you from enjoying the *forum* when you know another 'paid patch *is bad post*' will release soon and change everything up.
[CiC]Siege Jul 21, 2018 @ 4:21am 
Couldn't resist <3
Frozenkhan Jul 21, 2018 @ 4:27am 
Originally posted by CiCSiege:
Originally posted by CaptainChronic:
This is undoubtedly my favourite game of all time, so its sad to see the *users on steam forum* try to bend us over time and time again and shove their *anti DLC topics* up our collective asses. Most of what is released in these *topics* are just *things* that other *users* would include in *previous topics*. Ive spent too much *time* on this *forum* already and just cant afford to keep *pointing this* out, but it keeps getting re*posted*, *post* after *post* after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ *post*... please just calm down and release your ♥♥♥♥ in one big *post* and stop being so *spammy* with the *posting*. It stops you from enjoying the *forum* when you know another 'paid patch *is bad post*' will release soon and change everything up.

Well done!
tonypa Jul 21, 2018 @ 4:51am 
Each DLC is optional and comes with free patch that many times has changed how the game plays. Like States getting added for free in Dharma.

I agree that each DLC is minor addition but since none of them are actually required to play the game, you can easily ignore the ones you find not worth the money. I have thousands of hours in the game and still have not bought them all, and do not plan to.

Here is the alternative - all the features from every DLC are shoved into one single massive DLC that will cost 50EUR. There are only 2 options to play the game - either without ANY features from any DLC or EVERYTHING turned on. You can not buy just 25% of new features because these are the ones you like and want to activate (as you can do now with multiple DLCs), no, it is all or nothing.

There is very little point to complain about price of quality product. If no customer is willing to pay it, the company will lower the price. As long enough Paradox players find the DLC worth their money, there is nothing wrong with the pricing. Same way people are willing to pay twice the money for exact same product with Apple logo on it, it would be foolish for Apple to lower their prices.
*Note - I have bought everything on sale, and do recommend that for everyone.
Ransom_Romanus Jul 21, 2018 @ 5:09am 
Originally posted by CaptainChronic:
Ive spent too much money on this game already and just cant afford to keep shelling out, but it keeps getting released, pack after pack after ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pack...

Here's a suggestion: Stop whining and stop buying the DLC's if you can't afford to purchase them. It's optional for you to purchase the DLC's or not. Remember, no one is making you buy them. Also, you should be respectful and thankful that the dev's have continued updating this game that you love so much. Consider If they stop updating this game. All those things that get released in the DLC's wouldn't be in the game and might be a new version of the game where you would be inclined another $60 (+/-).
G-R-E-G Rooster Jul 21, 2018 @ 5:27am 
Originally posted by tonypa:
Each DLC is optional and comes with free patch that many times has changed how the game plays. Like States getting added for free in Dharma.

I agree that each DLC is minor addition but since none of them are actually required to play the game, you can easily ignore the ones you find not worth the money. I have thousands of hours in the game and still have not bought them all, and do not plan to.

Here is the alternative - all the features from every DLC are shoved into one single massive DLC that will cost 50EUR. There are only 2 options to play the game - either without ANY features from any DLC or EVERYTHING turned on. You can not buy just 25% of new features because these are the ones you like and want to activate (as you can do now with multiple DLCs), no, it is all or nothing.

There is very little point to complain about price of quality product. If no customer is willing to pay it, the company will lower the price. As long enough Paradox players find the DLC worth their money, there is nothing wrong with the pricing. Same way people are willing to pay twice the money for exact same product with Apple logo on it, it would be foolish for Apple to lower their prices.
*Note - I have bought everything on sale, and do recommend that for everyone.
Hello i do agree for the sale. Dlcs are worth in sales only, check paradoxplaza.com store... it is sometimes more interesting than steam sales. We are still free to buy or not to buy....
FRITZ HABER Jul 21, 2018 @ 5:40am 
dude, did you think with this policy eu4 will be still playable after 5 years?
FRITZ HABER Jul 21, 2018 @ 5:40am 
some people willing to pay to appreciate this game, if you dont want, then dont buy it. its simple.
Brick Slayer Jul 21, 2018 @ 5:45am 
It's ridiculous how people think "If you don't like X, don't do Y" is a viable and proper argument.

But hey, if you don't like terrorism and their attacks like bombings or public decapitations, then just don't think and talk about it! It's your choice, and if you can't be tolerant enough to respect ISIS and Al quaeda, then that's your choice, right?

Bottom line is, no matter how good eu4 (To be fair, it's a pretty good game, or at least a lot better than the memy mess they made with hoi4), the DLC prices border extortion and any serious company would be ashamed to do anything along these lines. An example of this being as always the DLCs for the witcher 3, where they don't bring out a new one every couple of weeks with minor bug fixes that should have been in the game all along and the DLCs that they do have are appropriately priced and add a lot of new content to the game, as opposed to paracuck's paid bug fixes.
My review for this game amplifies my disgust toward this kind of policy.

Without some of the DLC for this game, it's almost impossible or just very hard to play in specific regions of the world, like for example you essentially NEED Common Sense or else you will almost not be able to play outside of europe since the institutions will just never reach you.
Saeko Jul 21, 2018 @ 6:12am 
I love they have many DLC, but somewhere they should stop and make new games. and lower a little DLC price, i find them a little overpriced.

They said they stop soon for crusader kings 2, so its only matter of how many ppl buying these DLC, if they make profit they continue.

(^_^) Jul 21, 2018 @ 6:34am 
1.: I played the game for the longest time with "just" the three our four DLCs that were included in the sale pack when I bought it. Was perfectly fun and playable with just that. A friend of mine is playing the vanilla game and enjoys himself with just that, too. Just saying, the DLC is not necessary to play or enjoy the game, even though some of the features are definitely interesting and convenient, but it's hard to miss them if you never played with them.

2.: The Expansions and Immersion packs (I'm ignoring the Content Packs here, they really don't add anything worthwhile) total what, 200 bucks? That's 40 bucks a year, assuming you never buy stuff on sale. The price is steep, sure, but... I mean, that's how EU4 is getting 5+ years of post release support. And since everyone's bringing up The Witcher 3 (which is the poster boy of value), let's just not ignore that that game got two DLC packs over the year following its release and that's that - no new content anymore. It's still getting patched, but so is EU4.

3.: Personally, I'm fine with paying more for DLC and stuff if it means Paradox doesn't feel inclined to start sucking up to the mass market. EU4 is a pretty niche game and I don't really want to see PDox dumb their upcoming 4X / Grand Strategy titles down in an attempt to cash in on a broader audience because they're charging less per customer. But that's just me.
Hopeless Knight Jul 21, 2018 @ 7:16am 
People still take the bait with this attention seeking posts. Let he voice his opinion (:steamsalty:) and create his little army whilst the rest of you enjoy this amazing game and love to support Paradox with the new content. I'm currently enjoying alot this DLC policy, it made CK2 be alive with continuous support as it will happen to EU4 for many years to come. :steamhappy:
kaiyl_kariashi Jul 21, 2018 @ 7:43am 
EU4 used exact model Witcher 3 for the 3rd generation.

And players just KEPT demanding more.

The current DLC model was what the players wanted.

It was designed in response to player feedback about the 3rd generation, and EU4 uses an even more refined version based on feedback from early CK2's first crack at the new model.


Non-stop continual game development and evolution, most of which you get for free regardless of buying a single dlc, and the dlc packs themselves themed towards specific niches that people vowed they will buy if paradox made it to support their niche of gameplay, to keep the game development chugging along.


Even the decision to split the early packs between cosmetic and mechanical was the player's decision. Weaker computers can't play with some graphics packs because its' too much, but they're paying for stuff they can't use or might not even be able to use the dlc itself if the cosmetics are bound directly to the dlc. (this happened all the way back in the 3rd generation, this isn't even part of the current model but a left over the earlier model that people wanted kept).

Likewise especially 3rd gen, a lot of the player uses mods to get rid unit models entirely since they aren't important in a game like this, and don't want to pay for things they don't care about.

BUT some people like having units packs.


So paradox split them, since that's player-base said it wanted, and reduced the dlc prices accordingly.


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The base game is the only game you need.

Everything important is in the base game. It's the game for everyone. The one size fits all.

If that changes, then they add it to the base game.

BUT if you want a different experience from the base due to having specific tastes in region or style of play, they have expansions to customize that.

The base game assumes you'll play a little of everything, and has content weighted towards that assumption.

But if you focus really only just one niche it can come up lacking, since it's not specialized to focus on that niche.

But there is at least 1 dlc you can get that will expand niche to a level that you can ignore 95% of the time and still do well.



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Now that said i think paradox made a massive mistake in letting people foster institution via development. That mechanic has no reason to exist and needs to be removed because the game works fine without it once you learn the system.

But people aren't going to learn to ANYTHING new if you give them a way to completely skip the entire mechanic, even if it's horribly inefficient to do so.

The ONLY way that mechanic should've been added was if 3-4 MONTHS after 1.18 came people were still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it. Instead of what would've actually happpened with people exploring it in depth, realizing it was the same as before but even better for non-Europeans, and then go back to complaining about other horribly designed dlc-exclusive features they want to try forcing on EVERYONE instead of keeping that cancer contained, where it belongs.

That's also why paradox hasn't gotten much good feedback on how institutions could be improved, since very few people actually play with institutions and understand it's strengths and flaws, which is absolutely critical to being able to properly access and make good feedback.



Just like you could play just fine as anyone in the world with no dlcs in the old system once you learned each regions quirks and how to play with them.

Institutions didn't actually change anything aside for presentation and making the early better for non-Europeans. They were NEVER intended to completely remove tech penalties and in fact one of the cited reasons for the change was because everyone was westernizing and ending up with 0 tech penalty, fairly early into the game under the old system, which WASN'T supposed to be happening.


Not to mention morons who know anything saying Institution were a massive NERF to the Rest of the World, which is so opposite reality you know, they don't know anything and have never touched a RotW nation except to try it once, fail horribly, and then assume impossible to win with a tech penalty.

Institutions are up there with rebalancing the tech group units and removal of tech group based MP generation penalties in terms of buffing everything that isn't Europe. And that's with NO DLC at ALL.

Europe got NERFED by institution since they no longer get a completely free ride just for being Western tech. They suffer penalties just like everyone else, but they are BY DESIGN, supposed to be on average more technologically advanced, since that is history. It happened.


The only difference is they aren't the winner out of the gate. It happens gradually over time.

Which not only better represents the gradual of the regions denied the new ideas that allow them to continue forward pushing the envelope of technoloy, but made early game for RotW nations SUBSTANTIALLY more fun.

Since you aren't be slapped in the face by a large tech penalty from day 1 (or a substantially smaller one in the case of primtives), that gets you to your first or even 2nd idea groups faster than you could ever do under the old system, which is where the game really opens up and begins.

Past that milestone its's less of an issue since you have all the tools now to properly manage a tech penalty as well as to pick which strategy you plan to employ for your goal of the playthrough.



You don't get CS to play with institutions. You get CS to remove institutions from the game, because that's funcationally what it does, it completely kills the system and what it's SUPPOSED to do for the game.
Last edited by kaiyl_kariashi; Jul 21, 2018 @ 7:50am
CaptainChronic Jul 21, 2018 @ 10:21am 
Originally posted by 33rd Hopeless Knight:
People still take the bait with this attention seeking posts. Let he voice his opinion (:steamsalty:) and create his little army whilst the rest of you enjoy this amazing game and love to support Paradox with the new content. I'm currently enjoying alot this DLC policy, it made CK2 be alive with continuous support as it will happen to EU4 for many years to come. :steamhappy:

Yeah im not trying to bait people or build an 'army' (maybe you've been playing too much), i like to keep my game up to date, i like the new additions, but when they come with a price tag of £8 -£15, with additional unit packs that cost even more, and they churn them out at an insane rate, i just cant justify spending the money, ive already spent a hell of a lot of money on this game. But whatever man, your support of predatory DLC practice is like blood to a vampire for the devs, congrats.
vituperator Jul 21, 2018 @ 10:31am 
they're not going to update the game if they can't make money off it. There is no equal to this game, and i'm happy to give them money for future updates
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