Developing for institutions

[Diamond Armand]

When developing a province to gain an institution which state edict is best to use? I have been using the one that gives reduced development cost, but would it be quicker to use advancement effort which increases institution spread?

[Shard]

Institution spread only affects monthly modifiers (adjacent province has ...), so development cost is the way to go, unless of course you are trying to speed up the natural spread in your province, then its kinda situational.

[Diamond Armand]

Awesome, thanks!

[Dwarf]

Not sure if its the best plan. According to the wiki "Embracing an institution requires that institution to be fully present in provinces containing at least 10% of a country's Development.png development " so developping your counties too far from your more advanced neighbors could slow down. However developping close counties is good, yeah.

[CTHOMP]

Are institutions better than the old way? I'm still at version 1.17 because I didn't want to deal with the hassle of them. What makes institutions worth upgrading to?

[tinisiyo]

Originally posted by clthomps:

Are institutions better than the old way? I'm still at version 1.17 because I didn't want to deal with the hassle of them. What makes institutions worth upgrading to?

Well, with institutions you need to 'westernize' every 60-80 years pushing development or matching certain conditions. If you dont, then techs cost more and more with every passed year.
On the plus side you dont need to search for europeans to accept institutions. Except native americans, they still suck.
On the negative side so do all AIs as well. Expect Ming or some random Indians to be ahead of Europe in techs.

[erneiz]

@Dice: Nononono you are missing a critical piece of information. When you develop a province, you will also gain a portion of "the oldest institution that you still haven't embraced". So, if you develop ONE province multiple times (usually up to around 36 development), you will spawn an institution there, from which it can spread to your other provinces. This is how you can spawn Renaissance deep in the middle of Africa (or anywhere else in the world) pretty much at the same time it spawned in Italy.

[Terapp]

Originally posted by clthomps:

Are institutions better than the old way? I'm still at version 1.17 because I didn't want to deal with the hassle of them. What makes institutions worth upgrading to?

The existence of institutions means that the permanent penalties of technology groups other than western no longer aply. From the moment an istitution is discovered, for each year (i think) that you dont have it embraced you get a 1% tech penalty from a maximum of 50% for each institution.
That means that a nation in a tecnology group that had a fixed 80% penalty lets say, it could get a 100% penalty now if it hasnt embraced 2 institutions for 50 years each, however thats higly unlikely for the player. That also means that a nation in a tecnology group that previously had a 150% penalty, might never actually get it.
Most insitutions appear in Europe and that means that countries in the other continents come into contact with the institutions much later, slowing their embracement and ensuring a dynamic spread of tecnology.

There are several factors that dictate when you will get an institution in your country,(for example colonialism spreads to neighboring coastal provinces more easily and that means that if you are in a landlocked country you are going to wait for a long time). If you cant wait and you have the Common Sense DLC (?) and you can manually develop your provinces, you can turbo develop them and get the institution instantly in a specific province + all the monarch points you spent in development mean an increase in manpower and income.

In my opinion institution make the gameplay of not western european countries more enjoyable and easier.

[CTHOMP]

Interesting. So if I wanted to try the own all of Africa achievement it wou ld be better to have 1.19 and rights of man instead of just playing at 1.17.

[Terapp]

Originally posted by clthomps:

Interesting. So if I wanted to try the own all of Africa achievement it wou ld be better to have 1.19 and rights of man instead of just playing at 1.17.

In my opinion...Yes definitely.

But look up on youtube or on the PDX forums how institutions work exactly ( i might have forgotten something) and check out which DLC you need to manually develop provinces.

[tinisiyo]

Originally posted by clthomps:

Interesting. So if I wanted to try the own all of Africa achievement it wou ld be better to have 1.19 and rights of man instead of just playing at 1.17.

For africans it doesnt really matter that much cause its pretty easy to reach europeans via colonization and get westernized. Still with institutions you will need to devpush 1st institution, get the 2nd one adopting exploration ideas and making a colony or dev pushing, and 3rd dev push again. All others are really easy to get as any nation.

[Dwarf]

Originally posted by erneiz:

@Dice: Nononono you are missing a critical piece of information. When you develop a province, you will also gain a portion of "the oldest institution that you still haven't embraced". So, if you develop ONE province multiple times (usually up to around 36 development), you will spawn an institution there, from which it can spread to your other provinces. This is how you can spawn Renaissance deep in the middle of Africa (or anywhere else in the world) pretty much at the same time it spawned in Italy.

OOOOOoooohhhh niiiccceee, didn't know you could provoke institution spawn in your country, thought it was half-random on a list of countries.

Quick question, can you do the same thing for religions like protestants? (well not in africa of course, but make it spawn in france for example)

[CTHOMP]

I do have "common sense" so don't have to worry about the manual development paywall.