eu 3 vs eu 4

[soontir fel]

just wondering how they compare

[TapewormLondon]

3 was great. 4 does everything 30x better

[Holm]

Never played the third, but the eu 4 kicks ass.

[Tex]

Do not buy 3. Seriously. There is no point.

4 does it a million times better and has more content.

[kaiyl_kariashi]

EU3 is basically a test bed for a lot of the ideas they've perfected in EU4.

When Eu4 came out they were more comparable as it still had a lot of baggage from EU3, but they've since changed most of the innate mechanics on a pretty fundamental level.

[soontir fel]

I wasnt sure if it was like hoi where a lot of people say 3 is better

[kaiyl_kariashi]

Even paradox admits HoI4 was a mistake, that they've been slowly trying to fix.

They wanted to make it more accessible to new players, since HoI3 is a bit a cliff.

But they went too far...but also not far enough.

So it ended up not really appealing anyone, and they've been trying to fix that since then.



EU4 though nailed it perfectly and has only gotten better. And is still the overall best in terms of accessibility to depth ratio.

And it got even better over time as they improved a lot of systems which before were fairly arbitrary and you just had to suffer from them as you played, but now you have a lot of options to dealing with most mechanics in the game.


And that's just the base game.

Then you have numerous ala carte dlcs that you can use to further customize the play experience to how you like to play, without compromising iron-man mode.

And beyond that mods that can go even further.

[Gerfreckle]

Originally posted by soontir fel:

I wasnt sure if it was like hoi where a lot of people say 3 is better

Definitely not. A good argument could be made that HoI3 is superior in some aspects to HoI4, but that definitely can't be said of any other Paradox game.

[[OCe]Kagari]

eu4 = monarch power
eu3 = sliders

[kaiyl_kariashi]

it goes further than that.

Most of EU3's systems are tied to sliders.

only about 1/3 of the slider mechanics were replaced by Monarch Points.

The rest still use sliders or were replaced by ideas.

(you also only get about 8 "ideas" in EU3, which are your "national ideas" for their EU4 equivilent, with every nation sharing the same pool but hamstrung by a bunch of different penalties or government types that affect how quickly they can development them).

The idea groups system on the other hand replaced a bunch of sliders for various operational things.

[soontir fel]

let me clarify I got eu 3 in some bundle and I was wondering if eu 4 was better lol. which it seems the consensus is it is

[Alidrules]

Play EU3 if you have it and dont have eu4 its a great game. But i would suggest eu4 when you can. It has less tedium which opens up more of an experience.