Taking mandate of heaven playing Mongolia

[Ares]

Think i just ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, took the Mandate of heaven and became emperor of china, i wasent sure that was going to happend when i peaced out, thought perhaps that i would take away their mandate points. Well now im Emperor of china and i got 0 mandate points, also i lost horde and my cavalry armies can no longer be of 100% cav, also lost manpower and army sieze so am bleeding ducats cause my army is to big.
Downsiezed my army so it's not hugely over the limit, but now i've had revolts all over my big empire that stretches from Russia's boarder, down into persia and all the way to manchuria incluing it, and northern part of china. Probably had like 30-40 revolts, saved by takeing Humanist ideas and getting the first 2 idea's.

But the question is, what do i do with that damn Mandate that requires a lot of tributaries?, i only got 6, and there is not that many nations left to get as tributeries unless i want to get beaten up by Ottomans who have been hugely successfull in this campaign, most of the available tributaries are land that they want, i have already cut them off from most of Persia and came close to getting attacked.

I could perhaps release nations and get them? But how many do i need and is it based on number of tributaries og the sieze of their country?

Other option is attacking Juanpur and Delhi, and have them release nations and then tributise them.

Anything else i can do? I can't give up that damn mandate and return to khanate? Im planing on forming Yuan, does Yuan still have that Mandate? If not then that can save me, as i only need 1 province from china.

[DragomirKingsman]

if you're in the eastern tech group and you get the mandate, you stay with it until someone takes it.
Period.

[Ares]

Could perhaps declear war on Ming, and offer them the Mandate if that's possible?

[Fellini_Fiend]

A good idea if you had planned to become Emperor of China would have been to surround yourself with tributaries prior to warring with Ming since you can make tributaries if you’re a Steppe Nomad. Or simply just use the cb for the Mandate until you fully annexed them and get rid of the Mandate altogether. The CB for being able to declare war for the Mandate is super good as all of the land that belongs to the emperor is heavily discounted which makes annexing Ming really fast to do so.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

You can hover over the Mandate change rate to see why you are losing/gaining Mandate.

Aside from the obvious (raise stability, prosperity, no devastation) you can try to:

Release countries as vassals/create client states along your border to big nations. The mandate drops only when you (and not your subjects) border someone who is not your subject or tributary.

Also ask everyone everywhere (including e.g. American natives) to become your tributary as you get mandate depending on the number of your tributaries.

Go to war with your neighbors to force tributary status.
If you are participant in your allies' wars and have a high participation they will sometimes make the enemy your tributary in the peace deal (Ottomans made 1000dev Russia my tributary recently)

[Ares]

Originally posted by Fellini_Fiend87:

A good idea if you had planned to become Emperor of China would have been to surround yourself with tributaries prior to warring with Ming since you can make tributaries if you’re a Steppe Nomad. Or simply just use the cb for the Mandate until you fully annexed them and get rid of the Mandate altogether. The CB for being able to declare war for the Mandate is super good as all of the land that belongs to the emperor is heavily discounted which makes annexing Ming really fast to do so.

Yes, that would have been the smart thing, did not really want to become emperor yet, since i wanted to do the Great Khan achivement, but i also want to form Yuan, but i'm not sure if Yuan can get that achivement, probably not. I don't have to get it with this Mongol run tho, i have a Great Horde game where im well on my way to do it.

[Ares]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

You can hover over the Mandate change rate to see why you are losing/gaining Mandate.

Aside from the obvious (raise stability, prosperity, no devastation) you can try to:

Release countries as vassals/create client states along your border to big nations. The mandate drops only when you (and not your subjects) border someone who is not your subject or tributary.

Also ask everyone everywhere (including e.g. American natives) to become your tributary as you get mandate depending on the number of your tributaries.

Go to war with your neighbors to force tributary status.
If you are participant in your allies' wars and have a high participation they will sometimes make the enemy your tributary in the peace deal (Ottomans made 1000dev Russia my tributary recently)

Does vassals give mandate? I have checked with everyone that can become vassals, and those that i have not asked are countries the Ottomans want, and it's not a good idea to make them an enemy at this stage, given how successfull they have been in this run. Im sure there are others than the ones i got, if i improve relations enough. But the fastes way is probably to release vassals along the boarder, if they count to mandate or release nations and tributise them.

Yeah the Ottomans gave me Qara as a tributary, since i had marked all their Persian lands when i played as the Great Horde, as soon as they gave me Qara they came close to breaking their alliance as they also wanted a big chunk of their provinces, that was a bit scary at the time :P I dropped qara as soon as the truce was up, and saved the alliance.

[Tulduil Iphukiir]

Originally posted by Ares:

Does vassals give mandate? I have checked with everyone that can become vassals, and those that i have not asked are countries the Ottomans want, and it's not a good idea to make them an enemy at this stage, given how successfull they have been in this run. Im sure there are others than the ones i got, if i improve relations enough. But the fastes way is probably to release vassals along the boarder, if they count to mandate or release nations and tributise them.

Vassals don't give you Mandate but if you place them between you and your neighbours (so you have no (or just short) borders with third countries) they prevent Mandate drop which you absolutely want, given that a long border with e.g. Ottomans and Russia can give -1.0 Mandate growth which is massive.

Normally diplo-tributizing is much easier than diplo-vassalizing. I think it may even possible if you have slightly negative relations with them (if other factors cancel out the relationship malus).
However, you have to decide: Once a country is your tributary you cannot make it your vassal (you have to cancel tributary first which comes with a relationship malus which probably makes it impossible for quite some time to diplo-vassalize).

If you quickly need many tributaries look at the Indonesian nations, East African/Kongo nations, Native Americans or the surviving minor nations in India. You might have to conquer a province near them to get rid of the "distant borders" malus.

Remember, you can check the Diplomatic Macro Builder to have an overview of all nations you can diplo-tributize.

[Ares]

Originally posted by Tulduil Iphukiir:

Originally posted by Ares:

Does vassals give mandate? I have checked with everyone that can become vassals, and those that i have not asked are countries the Ottomans want, and it's not a good idea to make them an enemy at this stage, given how successfull they have been in this run. Im sure there are others than the ones i got, if i improve relations enough. But the fastes way is probably to release vassals along the boarder, if they count to mandate or release nations and tributise them.

Vassals don't give you Mandate but if you place them between you and your neighbours (so you have no (or just short) borders with third countries) they prevent Mandate drop which you absolutely want, given that a long border with e.g. Ottomans and Russia can give -1.0 Mandate growth which is massive.

Normally diplo-tributizing is much easier than diplo-vassalizing. I think it may even possible if you have slightly negative relations with them (if other factors cancel out the relationship malus).
However, you have to decide: Once a country is your tributary you cannot make it your vassal (you have to cancel tributary first which comes with a relationship malus which probably makes it impossible for quite some time to diplo-vassalize).

If you quickly need many tributaries look at the Indonesian nations, East African/Kongo nations, Native Americans or the surviving minor nations in India. You might have to conquer a province near them to get rid of the "distant borders" malus.

Remember, you can check the Diplomatic Macro Builder to have an overview of all nations you can diplo-tributize.

Ok, i need a few vassals then, but first i need to take all the land Russia has colonized. I have 10 tributaries, and all they give is 0.03 mandate, so i can't basicly have a front where i want to expand, except to vassal feed if my vassal lays claims... i should really not have taken this mandate ♥♥♥♥, altough the decree's are very nice, you can't really expand other than vassal feeding, because even if i had 50 tributaries, that boarder penalty would still be too much.

The Solution is to delibertly loose a war against Ming.