impossible native americans

[monicaida25]

I have several days trying to play with the native Salish, I must mention that I only have the common sense DLC and the conquest of paradise.

my idea is to create an American empire with totemism religion, so the challenge is not to convert to Christianity.

I have tried several strategies, the first strategy was to migrate and defeat rivals showing strength, then migrate to the side of a European colony, reform the government and grow from there, but the Europeans quickly attack me and eliminate me for being too easy an objective , despite having an equal technology.

My second strategy was to invade Mexico and prepare for the arrival of the Europeans, but most of the time I have no contact with them and I am technologically behind in giving them the opportunity to attack me and invade me without problems.

the strategy with the best result has been to migrate to the Mississippí area, invade the natives of the area and colonize all possible space leaving the coast free so that Europeans can colonize it and I can quickly reform my government.

This last strategy has allowed me to survive even until the 18th century, but colonization is very slow and my economy is always very bad, then I can not have a decent army and the Europeans always attack me when I am weak (that is, at any time).

I can not ally myself with any European because I'm weak and from another religion, but even it seems totally unfair to me that Europeans do not seem to have any problems in allying with other weaker tribes and with my own religion ... it's as if the AI is committed to ♥♥♥♥ me whatever.

indeed, I had an army of 30 and a large country, but the UK decided to ally with the Iroquois who had a small country with less than 10 soldiers (and they were not my rivals).

so could someone give me some suggestions please?

[bri]

Dump totemism unless you want to shower them with gifts and pray. If you have 100 or higher relations the ai won't attack you, period. That's much easier to do with +25 same religion instead of -10 or higher for wrong religion..

As for how some nations ally natives, there are some events (mostly random but may be 1 or 2 nation specific) that give the possibility of creating an alliance with a native nation while exploring the new world.

You may also want to wait for CNs to spawn to move adjacent as they are much less likely to attack you and win than their overlords.

As far as other stuff goes, develop some provinces to get enough of an economy to support your colonizing efforts. There are a few grass/farmlands around where the cost isn't too outrageous even with the native penalty.

[The_Dead_Artist]

If you want to be truly unstoppable as a native American tribe give this strat a go. https://youtu.be/gqJY-M5uAiA

[monicaida25]

I know that totemism is not the best, but the challenge is to continue in totemism ... Also, how is it that the other smaller and insignificant tribes become allies of Europeans and I can not?

second point, the native allies are totally useless against the threat of the Europeans, I need real allies, with good technology and that can provide me with at least 10-15 troops.

I have developed some provinces, but to obtain a significant economic improvement, I need to spend too many monarchical points, since the cost is usually higher than 80 points (in any province)

[monicaida25]

Originally posted by The_Dead_Artist:

If you want to be truly unstoppable as a native American tribe give this strat a go. https://youtu.be/gqJY-M5uAiA

I already know the video and I have tried it, but the strategy has not worked for me, the problem is that I can not invade the Aztecs fast enough, since I am constantly defeating rebels and I even arrived at the civil war, thanks to this, never I have money to colonize the way he does, and to make matters worse, Europeans did not colonize near Mexico and I could not reform government, so I had military technology 10 and Europeans 16.

Converting to Nahuartl was not useful enough, and by changing my tribal federation to the indigenous monarchy, the requirements for reforming the government increased.

probably I'm not good at playing EU4, but I did not see a substantial improvement in this strategy, in fact, the Europeans eliminated me relatively quickly.

[Mr.M]

Easiest way to survive as migrating Tribe?

You got Common Sense DLC, so its gg. If you are a migrating tribe just keep migrating and save up some points that way - finish the tribal ideas.

Either only tech up till first idea group and take exploration or only up mil tech to be on par with neighbours.

Then just colonize everything and dev the provinces like hell - you dont need any techs since you will get em from the Europeans.

I did "No trail of tears" this way.

[bri]

Originally posted by monicaida25:

I know that totemism is not the best, but the challenge is to continue in totemism ... Also, how is it that the other smaller and insignificant tribes become allies of Europeans and I can not?

I told you. There are random events available when exploring that can create alliances, greatly raise/lower relations, and so on. They aren't all that common but if you left a lot of natives around then the odds of one of them getting an alliance with 3-5 European powers exploring aren't terrible, especially the multi-province tribes.

[Mr.M]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1371896172

Almost 30 income, 250 dev

Europeans can come xD

[bri]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1371896172

Almost 30 income, 250 dev

Europeans can come xD

Not a bad start but if that's all you've got a squashing is headed your way...

Get thoose diplos to work and vassal/integrate some of those OPM tribes, or no CB conquer the whole lot of them...

[Mr.M]

I didnt want to no cb em, stab costs way less as primitives but it still seems like a waste for me to lose 2 stab just to grab their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ provinces.

Doesnt really matter if i take them now or in 50 years

Oh, and Castille somehow died so i can wait till 1600 until England shows up...

[monicaida25]

Originally posted by MrMonokel2000:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1371896172

Almost 30 income, 250 dev

Europeans can come xD

in fact this has been my greatest achievement (including Florida that was conquered or an instant after taking the photo)... I had the same military level as Europeans, and even one more level, because my economy did not allow me to have enough troops and in the end they attacked me, first UK, I managed to resist that war with some loans and finally signed a treaty in which I I gave 4 provinces to their colonies, the deal was not so bad, but immediately after this war, Spain and Castilla followed, that was my end

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/930433772020801547/4D04E0323216DA6A791F10C0ADC4280F978C8FC0/

[firestar587]

Originally posted by The_Dead_Artist:

If you want to be truly unstoppable as a native American tribe give this strat a go. https://youtu.be/gqJY-M5uAiA

wrong paradox fixed this in the update aftfer he put out the vid this strat doesn't work

[monicaida25]

Originally posted by firestar587:

Originally posted by The_Dead_Artist:

If you want to be truly unstoppable as a native American tribe give this strat a go. https://youtu.be/gqJY-M5uAiA

wrong paradox fixed this in the update aftfer he put out the vid this strat doesn't work

Yep... now all the natives begin with random ruler for example.

[Admod, the Equivocal]

Originally posted by bri:

Dump totemism unless you want to shower them with gifts and pray. If you have 100 or higher relations the ai won't attack you, period. That's much easier to do with +25 same religion instead of -10 or higher for wrong religion..

O__O I never knew that. Is there somewhere I can see that information?

[monicaida25]

Originally posted by Admod, the Capricorn:

Originally posted by bri:

Dump totemism unless you want to shower them with gifts and pray. If you have 100 or higher relations the ai won't attack you, period. That's much easier to do with +25 same religion instead of -10 or higher for wrong religion..

O__O I never knew that. Is there somewhere I can see that information?

this is the basics of religions, he is telling me to change to Christianity to have good relations with Europeans by same religion, since with totemism, relations will be -10

It is perfectly logical, however I do not want to change the totemism.

[Mr.M]

Originally posted by monicaida25:

Originally posted by Admod, the Capricorn:

O__O I never knew that. Is there somewhere I can see that information?

this is the basics of religions, he is telling me to change to Christianity to have good relations with Europeans by same religion, since with totemism, relations will be -10

It is perfectly logical, however I do not want to change the totemism.

He means the Wont attack with +100 relation thing.

Tho not really a choice as Native, since the colonizers demand your land and often have over -100 modifier.