Military tech...

[Old Man Chimere]

How is it that with even just 2 levels behind in the military technology, that it leads to absolute slaughter? I mean sure there is a difference between matchlock, wheellock, and flintlock weapons but even with 1.5x the unit count even with the proper cavalry raito they just get sent into the meatgrinder.

[c00lizz]

Depends MASSIVELY on which 2 mill techs you are behind. Different levels give different bonuses.

[Old Man Chimere]

I meant the level that is researched.

[Kitten Food]

Originally posted by King of the Romans:

I meant the level that is researched.

it really depends on 'which' levels. some differences are minor. levels that change tactics though are really more of a big deal than can be realized until you try fighting each other.

[Old Man Chimere]

17th century europe and what difference would it make if line fighting is just a matter of meat shields anyways, i have squeezed out 120 discipline and have 70 military tradition and my men are just screaming that the end is nigh.

[Shai-Hulud]

I mean....history pretty consistently shows superior technology>superior numbers.

[Old Man Chimere]

And yet a series of little change in tactics.

[Arginine]

This explains it really well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gutDqekiqc

[Old Man Chimere]

Originally posted by Arginine:

This explains it really well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gutDqekiqc

I have already considered all of that and what might now be the reason is that i spend my diplomatic points on turning hungaria in super croatia which could have throttled my military.

[Arginine]

Originally posted by King of the Romans:

Originally posted by Arginine:

This explains it really well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gutDqekiqc

I have already considered all of that and what might now be the reason is that i spend my diplomatic points on turning hungaria in super croatia which could have throttled my military.

Sorry, I don't see the connection.

Unless you are dumping mill points into harsh treatment, or into military ideas, you should be able to keep up with mill tech. Spending diplo points on culture switch wont render your ability to spend mill points on tech.

The video explains, why even 1 lvl difference is significant! It shows some crazy scenarios, where one nation spent a lot more mill points, but on ideas, while an other nation spent his points on tech (and lot less points), and had a vastly superior army.

[Old Man Chimere]

Threw it onto changing culture but release provinces as vassals to lower the percentage of the hungarian culture, causing my vassals to exponentially gain while i suffered. I wound up annexing transylvania with them being 6 mil levels above me and my other vassal even higher while i also kept throwing into the idea groups. Plus they had higher tech levels than almost every other country.

[Psychotic Fury]

I wouldnt advise solely boosting military ideas, when a new mil tech is available/coming in a couple years. Especially if your vassals are 6 techs ahead of you.

You want to space them out. Like get a idea or two. Then save it up for mil tech. Then get a cpl more till the next tech arrives. Dont forget about institutions. As they will greatly increase your tech cost if you dont get them.

[Old Man Chimere]

They were very much gaining at a high rate and i couldnt vassalize them until i just warred against nitra and depended on my allies to do my bidding, but as i can see noone has provided a compelling solution, but however my 300 year run is over because of austria declaring war on the ottoman turks.

[Arginine]

I did! Watch the video in the link! It is very well explained what you should be doing. It even provides hard evidence in the form of controlled experiments! Your situation starts at minute 6.

Other people tried to point out your mistake as well. Watch the video if you don't understand the others on the forum.

[Old Man Chimere]

I know what i am doing but this was beyond anything usual, and what you missed upon was that i never stated that my tech was not on par with surrounding nations. So please dont be so condescending i have played since europa universalis 2 and this was not normal circumstances.

[SirTalkALot]

Originally posted by King of the Romans:

I know what i am doing but this was beyond anything usual, and what you missed upon was that i never stated that my tech was not on par with surrounding nations. So please dont be so condescending i have played since europa universalis 2 and this was not normal circumstances.

Most strategy games, military research is very important. In EU4 it's even more important.