Debasing Currency

[Mr_MeGusta]

So I've got whatever expansion added debase currency a few weeks ago but this wek have found myself using it a lot. What I'm a bit unsure about is the all power cost in the courruption tab. So I wondering if its worth it to debase 2 times or so to be able to afford something like a insistution. Does getting an insistution a coule of years (2-4) outway the all power cost?

[Mr_MeGusta]

Originally posted by firestar587:

no it does not do not debase unless you have to

Ooof, good thing I'm just messing around in an easy run then XD

[c00lizz]

The real advantage of debasing over taking loans is that if you have a crapton of high autonomy land then you'll actually get more money from debasing than it costs to remove the corruption.

[erneiz]

Yep, debasing is best when you're a horde, or really any country that stays above 50% minimum autonomy (I think the magic number was more 43% but I'm not sure). Debasing gives you money based on your TOTAL development, but the cost to reduce corruption is determined by your EFFECTIVE development (modified by autonomy). So at some point debasing will be a net positive after you burn away the corruption.
Normally having such high autonomy means you provinces aren't worth ♥♥♥♥, but if you give your land to the horde estate, you will always get the full manpower and force limit out of that province so it syncs really well.

[Tasty Bunny]

I only debase money when corruption is 0 and have good passive - modifier (-0.14~6)

[Fellini_Fiend]

Originally posted by erneiz:

Yep, debasing is best when you're a horde, or really any country that stays above 50% minimum autonomy (I think the magic number was more 43% but I'm not sure). Debasing gives you money based on your TOTAL development, but the cost to reduce corruption is determined by your EFFECTIVE development (modified by autonomy). So at some point debasing will be a net positive after you burn away the corruption.
Normally having such high autonomy means you provinces aren't worth ♥♥♥♥, but if you give your land to the horde estate, you will always get the full manpower and force limit out of that province so it syncs really well.

That first part is so true. Debasing is your best friend as a Steppe nomad especially early on. Eventually you won’t have to if you’re having a successful time constantly warring and taking money every time on top of the land you take and don’t get into any bad wars that cost you. But one of the times I tend to definitely debase is when I really need an institution embraced and it’s making me suffer 25% or higher cost as it is. If I am two to four clicks of debasing away from embracing it I will do it and just pay he minimum off from getting rid of corruption over time. Or take a couple loans and one to two clicks of debasing, I think that’s totally viable. I personally hate taking loans but sometimes they are necessary so I do them but I personally prefer debasing a couple times over taking a couple of loans. Is it the most efficient way of dealing with embracing an institution? I don’t know maybe not but it’s just the way I play it. I don’t necessarily try to min max every single thing. But if I’m making money or barely losing money and pay less monarch points than if I had not embraced the institution then to me it’s worth it.

[Deatheagle]

purely situational... normally you should avoid debasing as powerpoints are a lot more valuable than money. There are a couple of exeptions though...

1. If you have an event giving you -1 or so corruption while you have none it often makes matematically sense to debase, when your empire is still small. The amount of money you have to invest to root out the corruption of 1 % is (most lekely) less than what you get in the debasing. Just be sure not to spend power points while you go back to 0 corruption.

2. Islamic nations (at least sunni) can reduce corruption 2 % every 5 years if they have at least 80 legalism shift. So you hit debasing and then spend 50 legalism and basically get free money.

3. If you nation is relatively small, but has a great income (for example if you play as portugal without conquering spain, but with a large colonial empire) debasing and rooting out corruption can result in a net profit. Again, try to time it so you do not have to use powerpoints right after debasing.

4. High autonomy. If your nation has high autonomy across the field that massivly reduces the cost of rooting out corruption to a point where debasing can be a lot better than taking a loan. You are most likely to encounter such a situation playing as a horde.

Thats all that comes to mind at the moment. I am sure there are more...

[Fellini_Fiend]

Originally posted by firestar587:

how do ppl with 6k+ hours think loans are bad/shouldn't be taken much? loans are great need to build a navy for a war but don't want to wait loans just had a stack stack wiped in a big war and need to build mercs loans thats just 2 i could name at least 10

You're not wrong I am totally not saying that taking a ton of loans isn't viable it is I mean just watch Florryworry he's a master of the loan and resetting his debt and he uses mercs all the time (which is seemingly the only way to do things on hard mode). I had up to like ten loans or something like that in my current Mongolia campaign and eventually through conquests I paid that debt off so I'm not a stranger to taking loans I just don't do them too often since I play on normal mode.

And I personally do not like using mercenaries except to have some go off on a suicidal scouting mission to find where the enemy armies are and be a distraction as well as having 5-10 of thtem spread out to occupy places like Siberia or if I have a huge income and can have a bunch around permanently to control the amount of manpower I lose to wars and rebel suppressions, I certainly used a ton of mercs in my Ottoman WC in the late game when I had millions of men at my disposal.

Also I tend to not have my armies get stack wiped, I'm a save scummer so if an army does get stack wiped while I was paying attention to something else I just force the game to close and load up a save prior to it happening. I don't do it for everything of course just stuff like that or some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roll you get or a ruler dying at the worst possible time he could.

[c00lizz]

To be fair, it's entirely possible to accomplish just about anything in the game without taking loans or debasing(As long as you play on normal). Knowing how to use loans/debase just makes everything so much faster.

[Shai-Hulud]

What others have said, debasing is more situational, but is really a godsend as a horde.